Federal Judge Orders Halt to 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Enforcement
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You might think that, but it does not, in fact, work that way.
I am not a sexist, I have no problems with equal rights for women, I have worked in factories with them, and I have served with them in the Navy, and I can honestly say that all I felt about 50% of them is that they were there to claim Sexual Harassment until they got to the highest paying position available.
Of the other 50%, I'd honestly say that half of them were there to make money in a way other than their bi-monthly government paycheck.
Of the remaining 25%, I knew a few decent women that did, in fact, want to work hard and get what they deserved by their own merit, but they have to deal with the attitudes generated by the other 75%.
One story that always stuck with me was told to me by one of my LPO's in boot camp. He personally knew a woman on a carrier that had over a million in cash, yet had never cashed a military check. If you need me to explain farther, you're pretty naive.
As far as gays go, I was on a submarine. We had actual gays aboard, to go along with the rest of us. Did I worry about it? No. If I woke up to a guy performing an "act" upon me, I guess I'd probably wind up in Leavenworth and his momma would get a flag or something.
Edit: And I typed this up and posted while you were posting bulbboy, sorry . . .
There are many social issues, just one small example:
If you were in the military, would you shower with the men? Why not? If they didn't try to rape you, or come on to you, then what would be the harm? So what if they saw you naked? Similar issue - how comfortable would straight guys be showering with another man/men that are attracted to other men?
What the heck. I think we should shower with the women if you put it that way. I wouldnt have a problem witht that ......I mean look at it. The men and women are being segragated. Thats discriminatory. Fairs fair...
That's the point. Just how far are you willing to extend sexual equality in the military? To the point that military discipline is compromised and sexual harassment cases outnumber all other cases combined?
This is not a matter of equal rights, it's a matter of the military being able to perform it's function at a moment's notice. Morale, discipline and readiness all factor into that.
Silly judge if you ask me. His injunction isn't worth the paper it's written on. If the Dept. of Defense declines to acquiesce to his "order", where is his jurisdictional authority over them? Does he really think he'd be able to find them in contempt and jail them for their disobedience? Does he really think he'd be able to enforce this? Good luck with that!
I'd love to see the DoD piss on his shoes on this one. These rogue federal judges need to be reigned in on legislating from the bench.
I was going to stay out of this thread, as it's not really a hot-button topic on my political radar, but I wanted to point something out.
Not that it matters, but it was a "she." The judge I mean.
I say that to point out that it may matter, really. I think we can agree that most of the argument here is in regards to military discipline related to how the soldiers interact with one another (the majority of soldiers still being male, yes?). I think the judge being of the "fairer gender" may remove some of that element of reasoning.
I am not saying anything against the judgment of women, just that different genders think and reason things differently. That may be coming into play here, for better or for worse.
I think that if they are gay, they need to keep their mouth shut just like a guy who is banging all the girls needs to keep his shut. They should keep it private and not try to make something out of being gay. I think alot of gays hurt themselves in the public eye. Look at the gay pride parades, I don't care if you are gay or straight. If you dress up like a cross dressed clown and grind up and down the street in front of kids. You are a freak and not someone that is like most people.
Didn't know it was a she, but I could just as easily see a male activist judge issuing the same ruling. Most federal judges will never understand the miltary, because they have no direct experience with the miltary. I would go so far as to say that unless they have been in the military, they are uniquely unqualified to render judgements about the internal workings of the military. I believe they should recuse themselves in cases such as these. They do not know what they're dealing with and their interference could have consequences that directly affect their ability to perform the mission.
Spot on again, you are
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