FRANKLIN GRAHAM

[Blue Heeler]

You made the assertion, I challenge it. Show some examples, or can you not?

LOL. So you can't do any honest research either?

Let's have as B HO would say, a "teaching moment" ...

Go to BING and type in something to how Christians are being stopped/hindered (etc.) from practicing their faith, prosecuted, etc. in the US.

Click the button on your keyboard that says "Enter".

You will (honestly) find examples like (in full disclosure, I have not read every word of each of these articles ... this is just to help you with this "teaching moment" in doing honest research):

https://townhall.com/columnists/joh...nation-against-christians-in-america-n1701966

https://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/dr-james-emery-white/are-christians-in-america-under-attack.html

https://townhall.com/columnists/jer...e-attack-on-christ-in-modern-america-n2573800

https://www.beliefnet.com/news/is-there-christian-persecution-in-america.aspx

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/08...ily-and-conscience-threaten-all-our-freedoms/

https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/...istianity-under-attack-in-America-9855153.php

https://www.christianpost.com/news/...ls-christian-values-under-attack-america.html

https://www.newsweek.com/religious-freedom-under-attack-like-never-before-opinion-1523094

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/chr...rseas-many-in-us-targeted-for-their-faith-too

https://www.alreporter.com/2020/01/20/sessions-says-that-christians-are-under-attack-in-america/

https://hnewswire.com/christian-persecution-in-america-its-getting-bad/

Again, if you have the capacity/ability to do any honest research beyond your astute causal analysis of parking lots on Sunday (LOL), you will find more examples than what I have shared. And you will find those with a counter opinion to the above. I would say read both so you can possibly (no guarantees) understand both sides of the proverbial coin.

So endth the lesson in "honest research". Enjoy.

 

[TedKennedy]

LOL. So you can't do any honest research either?

Let's have as B HO would say, a "teaching moment" ...

Go to BING and type in something to how Christians are being stopped/hindered (etc.) from practicing their faith, prosecuted, etc. in the US.

Click the button on your keyboard that says "Enter".

You will (honestly) find examples like (in full disclosure, I have not read every word of each of these articles ... this is just to help you with this "teaching moment" in doing honest research):

https://townhall.com/columnists/joh...nation-against-christians-in-america-n1701966

https://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/dr-james-emery-white/are-christians-in-america-under-attack.html

https://townhall.com/columnists/jer...e-attack-on-christ-in-modern-america-n2573800

https://www.beliefnet.com/news/is-there-christian-persecution-in-america.aspx

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/08...ily-and-conscience-threaten-all-our-freedoms/

https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/...istianity-under-attack-in-America-9855153.php

https://www.christianpost.com/news/...ls-christian-values-under-attack-america.html

https://www.newsweek.com/religious-freedom-under-attack-like-never-before-opinion-1523094

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/chr...rseas-many-in-us-targeted-for-their-faith-too

https://www.alreporter.com/2020/01/20/sessions-says-that-christians-are-under-attack-in-america/

https://hnewswire.com/christian-persecution-in-america-its-getting-bad/

Again, if you have the capacity/ability to do any honest research beyond your astute causal analysis of parking lots on Sunday (LOL), you will find more examples than what I have shared. And you will find those with a counter opinion to the above. I would say read both so you can possibly (no guarantees) understand both sides of the proverbial coin.

So endth the lesson in "honest research". Enjoy.

Very enlightening. Thank you.

 

[HoLeChit]

The downside to the internet is that you can find anything to support your beliefs or biases if you look for it. Try changing out the christian in the search words to any other group, be it muslim, gay, immigrant, men, women, children, whatever. I'm not saying christians are or are not being persecuted or whatever, I'm just saying it is extremely easy to fall into an echo chamber and feed your own confirmation bias. I am guilty of this too.

 

[TedKennedy]

The downside to the internet is that you can find anything to support your beliefs or biases if you look for it. Try changing out the christian in the search words to any other group, be it muslim, gay, immigrant, men, women, children, whatever. I'm not saying christians are or are not being persecuted or whatever, I'm just saying it is extremely easy to fall into an echo chamber and feed your own confirmation bias. I am guilty of this too.

Yep. Too many folks want to be a victim. Christians tend to see any change in culture as a threat...churches being fined for staying open during the "pandemic" isn't an attack on Christianity, when businesses are treated the same way. Adding an editorial about US Christians to an actual news report about specific incidents overseas isn't an "attack on Christianity" either.

 

[Blue Heeler]

The downside to the internet is that you can find anything to support your beliefs or biases if you look for it. Try changing out the christian in the search words to any other group, be it muslim, gay, immigrant, men, women, children, whatever. I'm not saying christians are or are not being persecuted or whatever, I'm just saying it is extremely easy to fall into an echo chamber and feed your own confirmation bias. I am guilty of this too.

Yes! And that is why people should do "honest research" that is supported.

 

[Buddhaman]

I’ve raised my son fine. Did I ever say he is doing what they are teaching? No I didn’t. My son actually stands up for what’s right. He is an outspoken conservative. He does have some issues that are beyond my control though. I do my best to set a good example for him and to teach him respect and good work ethic. Am I the best parent on earth? Heck no. I’ve made plenty of mistakes and I’m sure I will continue to.

As for some inside pushing others away; there are some that do that sadly. But the majority of Christians are really good people. I don’t push my beliefs on others and never look down on others for not being a Christian. I try and share the gospel when I get a chance. You sound like a very bitter person. I’m sorry you had such a lousy childhood. I’m sure there are some that would label your dad a good Christian. Maybe they don’t know him well enough and he seems like a good one. There are a lot out there like that. But he is in no way a representation of Christians as a whole. You have some severe angst towards Christians apparently. So it’s no wonder you don’t see the persecution that Christians face.
One last thing. There doesn’t have to be laws passed to attack Christianity. That is just pure ignorance. There are plenty of companies and individuals that do it.

I attend a Baptist church. I never said anything about being bitter against the religion. I have not seen any persecution or read of any laws being passed that persecute Christianity or Christians. I have witnessed good and bad on both sides of religion though. I find Christianity to have good teachings about following Jesus’ word and helping others. But I see a lot of bitter Christians online and even those calling me bitter or rude for my statements. If you raise a child one way and they don’t turn out that way, whose fault is it? People have tried to blame education for “brainwashing” kids but I think it’s just them thinking for themselves and deciding what they want to follow or believe. If Christianity is in decline then there is either an internal threat based on small populations twisting the teachings or an external reluctance to practice any religion. I found a church I liked but others give up and abandon the faith.

 

[sh00ter]

What about MY People, THE AMERICAN INDIAN? We were here first. Where's our honor? Oh! I forgot. You can't name your sports teams or your SUV after us any more because it's not correct.
All kidding aside. I agree 100% with HoleChit's post above.

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I have great respect for the native american cultures and historical significance as well as the role they play and contributions in modern times.

If white liberals existed back when the settlers came, they would probably tell the native americans that they needed to "spread the wealth around" and that claiming all that land for a few million people was akin to the rich of today. The native americans came across the land bridge from Asia, risking everything as the original pioneers of this new land and for that and many other reasons I respect them. But they would likely have not left if there were already other people on this continent. Conquest built this world and I am glad for the good and sad for the bad that became of all of it, but now that we are all here in 2021, hammering the grievances of the past only serves to divide this nation and push us back to tribalism. If all of the European ancestry people left tomorrow, tribes would still form and not all live in harmony.

We have to unite around common values of family, responsibility, pride in our current nation and the life it provides us, hard work, the bill of rights, etc.

I might view things differently if there was one pan-Indian tribe that had established a central government and a military, but that isn't what happened. The Chinese or the Russians would have eventually come, and the outcome would be much worse.

In my opinion, we need to love and respect each other as fellow Oklahomans and family men regardless of biological factors or historical heritage that is beyond our control. I mean all this with the utmost respect for everyone; even if they see it different.

I sure have seen a lot of Native tags on pickups with Trump stickers or pro-american bumper stickers...I think the native americans think for themselves just like any group and many of them are very patriotic despite the past injustices...they hunt, fish, shoot, build, etc...they are avg conservative Oklahomans as far as I can tell...I love them as my brothers & sisters, and many of them are themselves Christians.

 

[sh00ter]

I’ve heard it’s under attack since I was old enough to listen in church. Yet I haven’t seen or heard of any laws passing that has hurt it. And you’re worried about kids in school? Maybe teach them better at home. Can’t blame others for you’re own failings if your kids don’t turn out how you want. I was raised by 2 retired Marines and I don’t share my dads ideologies or penchant for drinking and abuse. But he’s a “good Christian” depending on who you ask. I think the ones who push others away are inside the church and not outside.

That explains a lot...I have heard the same theme from plenty of other people who share your views and you have a reason for how you view things. But we don't look at one person from a group who say robbed a store and then say all those people are bad...nobody is perfect and there is hypocrisy (both intentional & unintentional) all over the place including with people who identify as Christian. I hope that you come across others in your life that can show you a different experience. Again, if looking at things from your perspective you have a point...just try to look at the issue more broadly and see the stability & prosperity all over the world that is brought by moral people. In Africa, the Christian areas often have the best agricultural output and stability, etc. There is a cultural aspect to Christianity that transcends race and just seems to lead to both more justice & prosperity.