Gun owners target for crime

[joshuasmaximus]

I think you need to look up the trespassing laws. I have never been told I can not enter the establishment and unless they have told me to leave or not welcome in that place of business.

And if I am concealed properly they won't know I have it unless I need to use it. And before they call the police it would behoove them to verify who the individual is as they could be somebody that is an exception such as a LEO.

There has already been a few lengthy debates about the gun buster signs and the legal consequences on this forum. I have asked actual police officers in my city and the general consensus is the sign is the only warning you are entitled to. The owner/manager does not have to ask you to leave. And if he calls the cops, most officers will just ask you to leave but they may arrest you if they are in the mood. What they arrest you for depends on how you handle the encounter. Every officer is different and not all of them like handguns in public. Business owners are allowed to restrict guns on their property its in the SDA.

Just don't get caught and if you do be polite and leave immediately.

 

[LightningCrash]

we aren't discussing places expressly prohibited by the SDA

clearly this has been in regards to other locations.

We should always encourage the members on here to engage in acts of civil disobedience by violating laws they don't agree with.

Clearly not.
Did you watch the video?

 

[LightningCrash]

Covered on Tulsa news as well
http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=13341538

 

[Zombie]

There has already been a few lengthy debates about the gun buster signs and the legal consequences on this forum. I have asked actual police officers in my city and the general consensus is the sign is the only warning you are entitled to. The owner/manager does not have to ask you to leave. And if he calls the cops, most officers will just ask you to leave but they may arrest you if they are in the mood. What they arrest you for depends on how you handle the encounter. Every officer is different and not all of them like handguns in public. Business owners are allowed to restrict guns on their property its in the SDA.

Just don't get caught and if you do be polite and leave immediately.

Call me what ya like but if I walk into a store for instance and don't see a sign and they do not have it properly marked per the statutes I am guilty of nothing and in order to be guilty of violating such a statute the criteria would have to be met on both ends. You need to read the laws again as I suggest as you can say you don't want them on your property if noticed they must ask you to leave otherwise you are not trespassing in the end result. If nothing marking it clearly per the statute in full accordance they have not fulfilled their obligation. If they have not asked me to leave I am not trespassing. If I have reasonable expectation that I am allowed to be on the premises and am not violating any laws what am I guilty of if I for instance walk into a walgreens while packing to pick up medicine?

Clearly not.
Did you watch the video?

no video posted - the link you just posted does not seem gun oriented...did you read the article you linked it makes a reference to guns but doesn't elaborate beyond that.

e: I apologize I just saw the video link is separate I will watch it later when I can hear it clearly

 

[BadgeBunny]

There has already been a few lengthy debates about the gun buster signs and the legal consequences on this forum. I have asked actual police officers in my city and the general consensus is the sign is the only warning you are entitled to. The owner/manager does not have to ask you to leave. And if he calls the cops, most officers will just ask you to leave but they may arrest you if they are in the mood. What they arrest you for depends on how you handle the encounter. Every officer is different and not all of them like handguns in public. Business owners are allowed to restrict guns on their property its in the SDA.

Just don't get caught and if you do be polite and leave immediately.

 

[LightningCrash]

Who actually saw the news on channel 9 last night?

no video posted - the link you just posted does not seem gun oriented...did you read the article you linked it makes a reference to guns but doesn't elaborate beyond that.

I did. Check the video in the link I posted. A Tulsa LEO goes over the gun aspect.

 

[Zombie]

Trespass shall mean any of the following:

(a)

Each and every actual entry upon the public or private property without the express or the implied consent of the owner or other person responsible for the property or when there are "no trespassing" signs duly posted upon said property; or

(b)

Remaining upon private property after having been told to leave the premises by the owner, or other person responsible for the property, or the police in the event of a public disturbance in a parking lot; or

(c)

Remaining or otherwise being on private or public property at any time other than during posted hours of operation.

(d)

Notwithstanding Subsections (a), (b) and (c) of this section, where the owner or other responsible person in lawful possession of any private property is present and available, the owner or other person responsible for the property shall be required to sign a complaint and make a citizen's arrest for trespassing.

now tell me just in that section alone I would violate that would make me guilty of trespassing and that I could be arrested for - if it's a business it is implied that as a patron and paying customer I allowed and welcomed. During business hours, never seen a retail store put a no trespassing sign on the doors. So at what point could I be arrested for trespassing in a store if not asked to leave?

 

[Werewolf]

We should always encourage the members on here to engage in acts of civil disobedience by violating laws they don't agree with.

Gunbuster signs are legally irrelevant in OK except if posted on an SDA prohibited location and then it doesn't matter whether the location is posted or not - it is illegal to enter while carrying.

The gunbuster signs are little more than a request by a business owner. If he happens to see you carrying then you've broken the law. If not then no harm no foul. At worst you are trespassing but only if he asks you to leave and you refuse.

So for all practical purposes those who say concealed means concealed are not encouraging others to participate in the violation of law.

 

[Zombie]

Gunbuster signs are legally irrelevant in OK except if posted on an SDA prohibited location and then it doesn't matter whether the location is posted or not - it is illegal to enter while carrying.

The gunbuster signs are little more than a request by a business owner. If he happens to see you carrying then you've broken the law. If not then no harm no foul. At worst you are trespassing but only if he asks you to leave and you refuse.

So for all practical purposes those who say concealed means concealed are not encouraging others to participate in the violation of law.

 

[LightningCrash]

Just to clear this up:
If they put up a "No firearms" sign, I have their express and implied consent to carry firearms on their property?