Hartshorne school board votes to arm teachers

[Poke78]

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/sta...cle_23271e2f-0f8d-5e8b-91bc-2b7b563140f2.html

The TW has screwed up my online subscription (again) so I can't cut/paste here. When I was able to read it earlier today, the part that just frosts me is the part about requiring CLEET certification in order to be armed. If it's just the Phase IV Armed Security Guard portion of the class and 400 rounds, that's not so bad. Anything beyond that is dumb.

 

[tRidiot]

No one can go take a full CLEET class for that, isn't that like full time for a couple of months or something?

 

[rawhide]

There was a bill this session that added an option for school boards to bypass the CLEET requirement. Babinec got it through Public Safety committee but died after that. Hopeful another will pick it up next session. Babinec lost in the primary.

 

[Poke78]

https://newsok.com/article/5600997/morning-bell-another-Oklahoma-school-allows-armed-teachers

Similar article with a little more detail. The ability of OK politicians to conflate law enforcement/security training as some kind of magic coating, like Teflon, for teachers to be able to protect students against armed mental cases just floors me. Law enforcement is about making an arrest, security's watch words are observe and report - neither are the necessary skill set when a mental case is working out his malfunction with a firearm in a school. When Babinec takes his bill to fix this back to the Legislature, he needs to go with more info on a group that has done effective training in Ohio and Colorado that include first aid skills to save the life of gunshot victims, a much more usable and needed skill in that moment compared to handcuffing techniques taught currently.

Good recent article on Colorado: http://freebeacon.com/issues/training-teacher-carry-firearm-school/

 

[okie362]

Personally I have no issue with requiring extra training for teachers to carry in school. That being said, I believe the training should be tailored to the most likely scenarios and a specialized curriculum needs to be developed. The situation is unique, requiring a different set of skills, actions, responses and thought processes than either personal self defense or LEO. Let's face it, the SDA training course does nothing to prepare one to protect themselves let alone a classroom of frightened children.

 

[rawhide]

https://newsok.com/article/5600997/morning-bell-another-Oklahoma-school-allows-armed-teachers

Similar article with a little more detail. The ability of OK politicians to conflate law enforcement/security training as some kind of magic coating, like Teflon, for teachers to be able to protect students against armed mental cases just floors me. Law enforcement is about making an arrest, security's watch words are observe and report - neither are the necessary skill set when a mental case is working out his malfunction with a firearm in a school. When Babinec takes his bill to fix this back to the Legislature, he needs to go with more info on a group that has done effective training in Ohio and Colorado that include first aid skills to save the life of gunshot victims, a much more usable and needed skill in that moment compared to handcuffing techniques taught currently.

Good recent article on Colorado: http://freebeacon.com/issues/training-teacher-carry-firearm-school/

Bibinec did have the information aboit Fastersaveslives because I provided it to him. Greg fought hard to make schools safer but he won't be returning because he lost in the primary. FSLs is funded by the Buckeye Firearms Association and has trained over 1300 teachers & administrators (some from OK) in several states. It's the best I'm aware of. We need to encourage our legislators next session to take up the Babinec bill and then bring this type of training to OK.

 

[dennishoddy]

Personally I have no issue with requiring extra training for teachers to carry in school. That being said, I believe the training should be tailored to the most likely scenarios and a specialized curriculum needs to be developed. The situation is unique, requiring a different set of skills, actions, responses and thought processes than either personal self defense or LEO. Let's face it, the SDA training course does nothing to prepare one to protect themselves let alone a classroom of frightened children.

Your exactly right. The teachers need the training that would need to be used in that scenario of a live shooter in the school. They don't need training for a bank robbery or carjacking. Be specific in the training.
I'm aware of two teachers in our school system that said fawk you to the no carry policy, and I'm sure there is more.

 

[MacFromOK]

If they'd just eliminate gun-free zones, the problem would probably take care of itself.

I'd rather depend on SDA licensed carry than a box of rocks or canned goods. :/

 

[okie362]

If they'd just eliminate gun-free zones, the problem would probably take care of itself.

I'd rather depend on SDA licensed carry than a box of rocks or canned goods. :/

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the right to carry. I just know from teaching the SDA course since the first (maybe second) year of it's inception that the course doesn't in any way prepare anyone for an active shooter scenario in general. Give we are addressing the issue of an active shooter in a target rich environment with our children on "lock-down" I'm a very strong proponent of having specialized training requirements for the staff respond/react under those conditions.

If CLEET or another training institute would put together the curriculum I would be willing to certify and instruct the courses free of charge as would many other instructors I have no doubt. Some things really are "For the children!".

 

[Poke78]

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the right to carry. I just know from teaching the SDA course since the first (maybe second) year of it's inception that the course doesn't in any way prepare anyone for an active shooter scenario in general. Give we are addressing the issue of an active shooter in a target rich environment with our children on "lock-down" I'm a very strong proponent of having specialized training requirements for the staff respond/react under those conditions.

If CLEET or another training institute would put together the curriculum I would be willing to certify and instruct the courses free of charge as would many other instructors I have no doubt. Some things really are "For the children!".

Have you looked at the Faster Saves Lives curriculum referenced by rawhide up the thread?