Ill start with the crossman AK1
https://www.crosman.com/crosman-full-auto-ak1-bb
Ill go ahead and say for a backyard plinker toy for rainy days like this when the range is closed @ 200+$
Its going to be a no from me.
heres my experience.
3 shot group at 10 yards.
3 shot group at 15 yards.
And what the heck, i loaded up a fresh target and set the thing to full auto @ 15 yards again.
(hey i hit bullseye once)
i guess the stereotype of AkS ArE InAcCuRaTe, is true with this thing.
So the rear sight leaf, it would appear is best suited for what would normally be 300 yards.
The P or battle setting , the 1 & 2 hundred yard leaf setting get real.
it took me a frustrating half hour to hour to even get these results fiddling with loading /unloading and raising and lowering the rear sight ramp to finally find the sweet spot was for the gun to be set to 300 yards, and i am afraid this truly was the best i could do.
And i mean that was the best i could do. i was going full prone shooting at 10 & 15 yards with the rear sight leaf set for 300 yards.
And im no newby to ak shooting by any means at all.
Aside from the visable poor accuracy, heres my complaints -
it takes 2 air tanks that could be a pro, or a con i suppose, but you only get 2-3 30x round mags out of it before its out of gas.
The thing constantly missfires almost like a paintball gun that chops. this wasnt any fault by the full auto system either, as this was something i experienced shooting semi.
The 2-3 hours i played with the thing i really only shot it full auto like 2x and i experienced a little choppyness both times.
the Rear sight leaf while realistically replicated The ramp does essentially nothing and is just for looks.
Thats not my only complaint with the iron sights either, you can only adjust for elevation with the rear sight leaf which is essentially useless, aside from being set to setting #3
The front sight is entirely NON-Adjustable.
The "tool" for installing / removing the c02 gas tanks isnt well thought out, its essentially a clamshell magazine and theres a spot for a allen key that will be easily lost & a major PITA to find one that fits correctly, in the event you do loose it and want to do some backyard plinking.
thats not my only complaint about the magazine.
its an AK, they are ICONIC for the rock and lock, while the paddle magazine release does work, for someone like me whos so used to the rock and lock insertion, its really.... un-natural to have to insert the magazine straight in how its designed to work.
Oh, one last bit, i did dissassemble the gun to see what all could be modified if the thing could be fixed up,
it does come with a full pic rail and handguard so i suppose this is one positive, it could have optics attached if you wanted??? but for a c02 bb gun? its un-needed,
especially a gun designed to shoot FA........
I guess one other positive is it does hold alot of bb's and although loading it is a pita, its not as bad as the glock for the sliding door lever to stay open, and is generally faster to load. but id say this is a half positive, because the magazine / feed system could probably be better designed all together.
The buttstock appears to be a buffer tube style stock like i can tell its the same similar style but the funny thing is once you get it off, a regular ar-15 buffertube stock does not fit.
The handguards will not fit a normal ak, wouldnt even try.
Same goes for the pistol grip, your not going to get a normal ak pistol grip to fit.
heres the last positive thing i have to say about it, the muzzle break it will take 14x1LH muzzle devices, the same as whats found on your typical ak's but i dont see what good that does.
anyhow, its a fun toy, but doesnt really do anything it was designed for well.
Its not a good shooter or plinker, it runs outta air way to quick to be enjoyable and is a pita. half the time your going to be fiddling with loading it / putting new air tanks in it for poor accuracy.
So its gets a over-all thumbs down from me.
It doesnt serve much of a purpose besides a c02 powered BB spraying hose.
Now, onto the UMAREX officially licensed glock copy.
https://www.amazon.com/Glock-177-Ca...07FT2LLLK/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
This thing looks & feels just like a real glock. @ 65$ on amazon right now, as someone that has relatively 0 experience with c02 powered airguns compared to the crossman AK 1
this things an absolute steal and well worth the 65$
Heres why -
3 shot group with it.
So, Heres the positives -
its got the looks feel and weight of the real deal, aside from the removable backstrap & non reciprocating slide.
this thing is POWERFUL.
this brings me to my 3rd positive, Its VERY handy!
I was very impressed with just how far this thing would throw a BB!
I took it kayaking with me & i can tell you 100% without a doubt its my tacklebox snake gun for sure now.
I shot the thing upriver and it went and traveled atleast a good 50-100 yards!!!!!
I couldnt believe it!
for how small this thing is its accurate, powerful and handy,
The trigger - I guess this is a neutral, but it has a crossbolt safety built in, similar to what you'd find on a red-rider BB gun,
another positive, its dirt cheap. 9mm is getting expensive, and the trigger does feel kinda like a normal glock trigger, allthough the trigger pull is quite heavy, id say thats also a positive, its a GREAT TRAINING AID!!! for us AVID glock shooters!
unlike the AK-1, they thought out the hex head allen key for removing/installing c02 tanks, its permantly built into the backstrap & foldable, you aint gonna loose this thing, unless you loose the whole backstrap!!!
i dont really have anything negative to say, aside from
i wish it was easier to load, that could have been a similar design & i wish it held more for how much more enjoyable it is to shoot!
Overall, id steer clear of the ak-1 its just an expensive toy, id return it if i could & get my $ back, but the glock is WELL WELL worth the $
https://www.crosman.com/crosman-full-auto-ak1-bb
Ill go ahead and say for a backyard plinker toy for rainy days like this when the range is closed @ 200+$
Its going to be a no from me.
heres my experience.
3 shot group at 10 yards.
3 shot group at 15 yards.
And what the heck, i loaded up a fresh target and set the thing to full auto @ 15 yards again.
(hey i hit bullseye once)
i guess the stereotype of AkS ArE InAcCuRaTe, is true with this thing.
So the rear sight leaf, it would appear is best suited for what would normally be 300 yards.
The P or battle setting , the 1 & 2 hundred yard leaf setting get real.
it took me a frustrating half hour to hour to even get these results fiddling with loading /unloading and raising and lowering the rear sight ramp to finally find the sweet spot was for the gun to be set to 300 yards, and i am afraid this truly was the best i could do.
And i mean that was the best i could do. i was going full prone shooting at 10 & 15 yards with the rear sight leaf set for 300 yards.
And im no newby to ak shooting by any means at all.
Aside from the visable poor accuracy, heres my complaints -
it takes 2 air tanks that could be a pro, or a con i suppose, but you only get 2-3 30x round mags out of it before its out of gas.
The thing constantly missfires almost like a paintball gun that chops. this wasnt any fault by the full auto system either, as this was something i experienced shooting semi.
The 2-3 hours i played with the thing i really only shot it full auto like 2x and i experienced a little choppyness both times.
the Rear sight leaf while realistically replicated The ramp does essentially nothing and is just for looks.
Thats not my only complaint with the iron sights either, you can only adjust for elevation with the rear sight leaf which is essentially useless, aside from being set to setting #3
The front sight is entirely NON-Adjustable.
The "tool" for installing / removing the c02 gas tanks isnt well thought out, its essentially a clamshell magazine and theres a spot for a allen key that will be easily lost & a major PITA to find one that fits correctly, in the event you do loose it and want to do some backyard plinking.
thats not my only complaint about the magazine.
its an AK, they are ICONIC for the rock and lock, while the paddle magazine release does work, for someone like me whos so used to the rock and lock insertion, its really.... un-natural to have to insert the magazine straight in how its designed to work.
Oh, one last bit, i did dissassemble the gun to see what all could be modified if the thing could be fixed up,
it does come with a full pic rail and handguard so i suppose this is one positive, it could have optics attached if you wanted??? but for a c02 bb gun? its un-needed,
especially a gun designed to shoot FA........
I guess one other positive is it does hold alot of bb's and although loading it is a pita, its not as bad as the glock for the sliding door lever to stay open, and is generally faster to load. but id say this is a half positive, because the magazine / feed system could probably be better designed all together.
The buttstock appears to be a buffer tube style stock like i can tell its the same similar style but the funny thing is once you get it off, a regular ar-15 buffertube stock does not fit.
The handguards will not fit a normal ak, wouldnt even try.
Same goes for the pistol grip, your not going to get a normal ak pistol grip to fit.
heres the last positive thing i have to say about it, the muzzle break it will take 14x1LH muzzle devices, the same as whats found on your typical ak's but i dont see what good that does.
anyhow, its a fun toy, but doesnt really do anything it was designed for well.
Its not a good shooter or plinker, it runs outta air way to quick to be enjoyable and is a pita. half the time your going to be fiddling with loading it / putting new air tanks in it for poor accuracy.
So its gets a over-all thumbs down from me.
It doesnt serve much of a purpose besides a c02 powered BB spraying hose.
Now, onto the UMAREX officially licensed glock copy.
https://www.amazon.com/Glock-177-Ca...07FT2LLLK/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
This thing looks & feels just like a real glock. @ 65$ on amazon right now, as someone that has relatively 0 experience with c02 powered airguns compared to the crossman AK 1
this things an absolute steal and well worth the 65$
Heres why -
3 shot group with it.
So, Heres the positives -
its got the looks feel and weight of the real deal, aside from the removable backstrap & non reciprocating slide.
this thing is POWERFUL.
this brings me to my 3rd positive, Its VERY handy!
I was very impressed with just how far this thing would throw a BB!
I took it kayaking with me & i can tell you 100% without a doubt its my tacklebox snake gun for sure now.
I shot the thing upriver and it went and traveled atleast a good 50-100 yards!!!!!
I couldnt believe it!
for how small this thing is its accurate, powerful and handy,
The trigger - I guess this is a neutral, but it has a crossbolt safety built in, similar to what you'd find on a red-rider BB gun,
another positive, its dirt cheap. 9mm is getting expensive, and the trigger does feel kinda like a normal glock trigger, allthough the trigger pull is quite heavy, id say thats also a positive, its a GREAT TRAINING AID!!! for us AVID glock shooters!
unlike the AK-1, they thought out the hex head allen key for removing/installing c02 tanks, its permantly built into the backstrap & foldable, you aint gonna loose this thing, unless you loose the whole backstrap!!!
i dont really have anything negative to say, aside from
i wish it was easier to load, that could have been a similar design & i wish it held more for how much more enjoyable it is to shoot!
Overall, id steer clear of the ak-1 its just an expensive toy, id return it if i could & get my $ back, but the glock is WELL WELL worth the $
