Living in a time of war

[Dave70968]

Bullcrap. The Democratic party supports and has funded abortion clinics across the country. The Republican party has opposed them.
Its a simple answer to the issue.
One can spin it any way they want, but that is the platforms of both party's.

The Democrats' platform: https://www.democrats.org/party-platform#reproductive-health

We believe unequivocally, like the majority of Americans, that every woman should have access to quality reproductive health care services, including safe and legal abortion

Reading is fundamental, Dennis. "[H]ave access to" is not the same as "use." One allows choice; the other is making the choice for you. It's entirely possible and logically consistent to say "I don't think you should have an abortion, but I also don't it's right to deny you the choice."

 

[Dave70968]

How did this get to be a thread about abortions?

Dennis tried to conflate that subject with murder and death by terrorism.

 

[dennishoddy]

The Democrats' platform: https://www.democrats.org/party-platform#reproductive-health

Reading is fundamental, Dennis. "[H]ave access to" is not the same as "use." One allows choice; the other is making the choice for you. It's entirely possible and logically consistent to say "I don't think you should have an abortion, but I also don't it's right to deny you the choice."

We agree to disagree then. Abortion is murder in my opinion and the opinion of others. When a living breathing fetus is brought from the uterus in a late term abortion, and killed, how could it not be murder?
I have great reading skills, and interpretation of the same.

 

[dennishoddy]

Dennis tried to conflate that subject with murder and death by terrorism.

Which is one in the same.

 

[Dave70968]

Which is one in the same.

And yet it was totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which had to do with the backgrounds of the purveyors of terrorism. It's just your dog-whistle issue.

ETA: Also, for the sake of this discussion, it isn't. Ace specifically defined murder as the illegal taking of a life; he was using a legal definition, given that we were discussing crime statistics. You're free to hold any moral position you want, but in a legal sense--for the purpose of discussing crime statistics--abortion is not, in fact, murder anywhere in this country. That's settled law.

 

[dennishoddy]

No, Ace was quoting right wing terrorism.
I equate as well as others with left wing abortion to be a form of terrorism.

 

[Dave70968]

No, Ace was quoting right wing terrorism.
I equate as well as others with left wing abortion to be a form of terrorism.

And yet, for the purpose of discussing crime statistics, you're pulling that out of your backside.

 

[dennishoddy]

And yet, for the purpose of discussing crime statistics, you're pulling that out of your backside.

Really? Ever look at the number of abortions that Planned Parenthood performs and the others?
Planned Parenthood services help prevent approximately 579,000 unintended pregnancies in a single year. - See more at: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/a...d-parenthood-at-a-glance#sthash.0ncTGxqc.dpuf

This is from planned parenthood's own website.
Germany and others that also follow the abort at any reason are experiencing a population loss and needed immigrants to make up for worker losses. We naturalized around 600,000 last year, and they will become great citizens.
Look up Angela Merkel and the German situation. Look up the situation in France with the enclaves and you can easily see that they used immigrants to make up for the aborted fetuses.
Its sad.

 

[Dave70968]

Really? Ever look at the number of abortions that Planned Parenthood performs and the others?
Planned Parenthood services help prevent approximately 579,000 unintended pregnancies in a single year. - See more at: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/a...d-parenthood-at-a-glance#sthash.0ncTGxqc.dpuf

This is from planned parenthood's own website.
Germany and others that also follow the abort at any reason are experiencing a population loss and needed immigrants to make up for worker losses. We naturalized around 600,000 last year, and they will become great citizens.
Look up Angela Merkel and the German situation. Look up the situation in France and you can easily see that they used immigrants to make up for the aborted fetuses.
Its sad.

Dennis: Reading. Is. Fundamental.

We were discussing crime statistics. Abortion is not a crime in the United States, no matter how you may feel about it. If you think I'm wrong, feel free to either provide instances of prosecutors winning convictions based on deliberate abortions (and those convictions can't be overturned by a higher court), or provide me a copy of the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports that count abortions in murder statistics.

You won't find either because murder--as Ace said--is the illegal killing of a human being, and abortion is not illegal in this country. Any attempt to include abortions in a discussion of crime statistics is intellectually dishonest. Again, you're entirely welcome to your own moral beliefs, but as a matter of law--which, again, was the subject of discussion--you're not entitled to your own facts.

Also, you're entitled to believe it's murder, but to call it terrorism is a stretch. Terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." Even if we ignore the "unlawful" part, what's the political aim? Given that, by definition, the only victims of abortion are the unborn, what political aims are we trying to scare them into? Since you "have great reading skills, and interpretation of the same," I can only assume that your misuse of the word "terrorism" is willful and deliberate, and thus again intellectually dishonest.

 

[dennishoddy]

As I said, IMHO killing a living, breathing baby in a late term abortion is murder. There is a huge amount of legal opposition and support for this, but it evolves down to politics and semantics.
You agree its a stretch to call it terrorism, but in that agreement you are saying it could possibly be. So, again, we agree to disagree, but not so much in this case. ( I feel I'm participating in a trial.) lol
So, since your taking the liberal line here, 'Terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."
I'll run with that statement and say that late term abortion is terrorism because if the law were changed to not allow late term abortions, that whole statement could be used to prosecute somebody.
Its all about how the democrat party has written the laws, and the Republicans have defunded it to prevent domestic terrorism.