Looks like Russia is invading Ukraine

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TedKennedy

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Perhaps Germany can get back some off her land. Oh And let's not forget the spaniards!

Let's hope so. Germany did a much better job of managing Europe than the USSR did. Germany did a pretty fair job of managing the USSR, for that matter. Too bad we had to intercede.
 

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Depends on what you're calling provocation. From the Russian point of view Ukraine provoked this.

Georgia began bombing South Ossetia in an attempt to reclaim the region that declare its independence in the early 90s. This was in violation of the agreement they had previously signed, not to mention they specifically targeted the homes of Russian peace keepers which caused the Russian response.

Evidence is now turning up that points to the snipers that killed 12 people were NATO backed. Lets also remember that, according to polls, what the Ukrainian protesters want does not reflect the opinions of the majority. We are encircling Russia and are pushing for regime change in many of Russia's border countries to install pro western governments and to try and get control of the Russian pipelines throughout the region. It has nothing to do with democracy.

As far as WW2, we also should remember and respect Russia's role. We could not have won without them and they had the largest losses by far, around 24 million. That's 3 times the number of Jews that died.
 

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As far as WW2, we also should remember and respect Russia's role. We could not have won without them and they had the largest losses by far, around 24 million. That's 3 times the number of Jews that died.

WWII would not have been possible without the Soviet Union.
What exactly did we win? Were we victorious over our foes? Sure. But the USSR gained Eastern Europe, European Jews gained Israel, and shortly after abandoning our Chinese allies, the commies got China.
 

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Meanwhile, back in the thread...

Reports from the Crimea indicate that Russia has scuttled one of it's own ships in order to prevent the Ukrainian navy from entering the Black Sea. Even if we suspend reality for a moment and pretend that the "self defense" forces in the Crimea aren't really Russian special forces, blockading the Ukrainian navy is clearly an act of war:


http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/217821.php
 

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Meanwhile, back in the thread...

Reports from the Crimea indicate that Russia has scuttled one of it's own ships in order to prevent the Ukrainian navy from entering the Black Sea. Even if we suspend reality for a moment and pretend that the "self defense" forces in the Crimea aren't really Russian special forces, blockading the Ukrainian navy is clearly an act of war:


http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/217821.php
I saw video of that today. Looks like an act of war to me.
 

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