Newtown Legislation - Why?

[cjjtulsa]

So what are they trying to hide from the public? It frustrates me that too many in the gun community just take this story at face value, and then wring their hands over possible anti-gun legislation. Too many holes in this story, and too much secrecy, and more coming. Hegelian Dialectic.

A bill is being crafted in secret, according to the Hartford Courant, that would affect information connected to the Newtown shooting investigation. WTIC’s Michael Guerrera reports…

IN AN UNORTHODOX MANNER, STAFF MEMBERS FROM THE STATE’S TOP PROSECUTOR AND GOVERNOR DANNEL MALLOY’S OFFICE MET WITH LAWMAKERS TO PUT TOGETHER LEGISLATION THAT WOULD ALLOW RECORDS LINKED TO THE NEWTOWN INVESTIGATION LIKE 9-1-1 CALLS, VICTIM PHOTOS AND POSSIBLY MORE TO BE WITHHELD FROM THE PUBLIC…THE LEGISLATION IS EXPECTED TO BE IN THE FORM OF A SPECIAL ACT RELATED SOLELY TO THE NEWTOWN SITUATION AND NOT A BLANKET AMENDMENT TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT…A REPORT ON THE NEWTOWN INVESTIGATION IS EXPECTED FROM STATE POLICE IN JUNE.

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2013/05/22/newtown-bill-being-crafted-in-secret/

 

[reddog1]

its called sweeping it under the rug.

 

[mugsy]

Sweeping what under the rug? The only hints at anything beside a horrible murder scene have been completely unsubstantiated rumors and dark whisperings all feeding themselves like a self-licking ice cream cone,

I would, however, write to my representative were I a CT resident and strongly oppose this legislation on principle.

 

[reddog1]

lol@ self licking ice cream cone!!

 

[dutchwrangler]

So what are they trying to hide from the public? It frustrates me that too many in the gun community just take this story at face value, and then wring their hands over possible anti-gun legislation. Too many holes in this story, and too much secrecy, and more coming. Hegelian Dialectic.

Don't be frustrated at gun owners. The majority of them are no different than all the others who believe the tales gov't puts out there. Just because they own firearms doesn't make them seekers of truth...

 

[cjjtulsa]

The only hints at anything beside a horrible murder scene have been completely unsubstantiated rumors and dark whisperings

You must be joking.

 

[mugsy]

You must be joking.

I am completely serious and made a very clear statement - you, on the other hand, haven't even presented an argument just the equivalent of "duh". Not considered a strong technique in debate circles.

Most of the "controversy" I've seen or heard centers on slight differences between initial reports and follow-on reports, what weapon was where and so forth, frankly as a career military officer I can tell you with certainty that initial reports, even from trained military observers, are always inaccurate only the degree of inaccuracy differs, so I don't find that a very convincing line of argument.

Maybe there's a better case to be made but I haven't seen or heard it.

 

[reddog1]

Sandy hook was faked.

 

[cjjtulsa]

I am completely serious and made a very clear statement - you, on the other hand, haven't even presented an argument just the equivalent of "duh". Not considered a strong technique in debate circles.

I've posted inconsistencies from those investigating it on this forum numerous times. So - just a few:

Two men reported by witnesses running past the gym; two men plainly seen on helicopter camera footage running by the gym. Two men detained in the woods behind the gym. No clear explanation of them, only random passing blurbs in news reports (including "off duty SWAT officer from another jurisdiction", who just happened to be dicking around in the woods on that morning?). Yet the single shooter narrative is etched in stone.

Responding LEO on dispatch recordings - at the scene of Lanza's body - reporting "long rifle(s?) and shotgun", yet the only long gun in the official story is an AR15, and the only shotgun was an S12 pulled from the trunk of the car. What about the shotgun at the scene of Lanza's body? Hard to tell, but did the officer say "rifles" as in plural? Or was he just confused, and somehow confused one AR15 with multiple long guns?

Helicopter footage of Honda in front of school with left and right side doors open, and (looks like) two black sweatshirts on the ground; Lanza may have needed to open the passenger door to retrieve the rifle, but why the discarded sweatshirts - as in, more than one? And why in some other aerial pics were the sweatshirts missing? From a witness (Barbara Sibly, interviewed by Katie Couric):

"but when I got out of the car and started walking towards the building I noticed a car in the drop off area in front of the entrance like a black hatchback had all the doors open and like black sweat shirts strewn around it and again I thought, that’s really odd you don’t usually see that at the school."

Notice, she said "sweat shirts". Two guys running past the gym. "Long rifle (or rifles) and shotgun".

Security camera footage not released, and is something that would put the shingle shooter theory to rest - right or wrong - for good. Now, introducing legislation that would ban the public from seeing certain photographs, hearing recordings, as well as "possibly other evidence", and only as concerns this one case? This passes the smell test to most? Why?

I could go on and on; this isn't some UFO nonsense - there is plenty that doesn't add up. It was a horrible murder scene, but more than one person pulled this off, as far as I'm concerned. And the accomplices are being covered up. Couple this with Obama's alleged remark to Sarah Brady about working "under the radar" as concerns gun control, the Aurora shooting several months before Newtown, and then this, with all of it's inconsistencies - and few question it? I don't buy it.

 

[Glocktogo]

I've posted inconsistencies from those investigating it on this forum numerous times. So - just a few:

Two men reported by witnesses running past the gym; two men plainly seen on helicopter camera footage running by the gym. Two men detained in the woods behind the gym. No clear explanation of them, only random passing blurbs in news reports (including "off duty SWAT officer from another jurisdiction", who just happened to be dicking around in the woods on that morning?). Yet the single shooter narrative is etched in stone.

Responding LEO on dispatch recordings - at the scene of Lanza's body - reporting "long rifle(s?) and shotgun", yet the only long gun in the official story is an AR15, and the only shotgun was an S12 pulled from the trunk of the car. What about the shotgun at the scene of Lanza's body? Hard to tell, but did the officer say "rifles" as in plural? Or was he just confused, and somehow confused one AR15 with multiple long guns?

Helicopter footage of Honda in front of school with left and right side doors open, and (looks like) two black sweatshirts on the ground; Lanza may have needed to open the passenger door to retrieve the rifle, but why the discarded sweatshirts - as in, more than one? And why in some other aerial pics were the sweatshirts missing? From a witness (Barbara Sibly, interviewed by Katie Couric):

"but when I got out of the car and started walking towards the building I noticed a car in the drop off area in front of the entrance like a black hatchback had all the doors open and like black sweat shirts strewn around it and again I thought, that’s really odd you don’t usually see that at the school."

Notice, she said "sweat shirts". Two guys running past the gym. "Long rifle (or rifles) and shotgun".

Security camera footage not released, and is something that would put the shingle shooter theory to rest - right or wrong - for good. Now, introducing legislation that would ban the public from seeing certain photographs, hearing recordings, as well as "possibly other evidence", and only as concerns this one case? This passes the smell test to most? Why?

I could go on and on; this isn't some UFO nonsense - there is plenty that doesn't add up. It was a horrible murder scene, but more than one person pulled this off, as far as I'm concerned. And the accomplices are being covered up. Couple this with Obama's alleged remark to Sarah Brady about working "under the radar" as concerns gun control, the Aurora shooting several months before Newtown, and then this, with all of it's inconsistencies - and few question it? I don't buy it.

So is it likewise your position that 91 were actually killed in the Moore tornado, and not the revised number of 24? Do you also feel that Alex Jones may be correct that something about the tornado smacks of Obama wagging the dog?