No guns signs at Hillcrest in Tulsa

[tulsamal]

I took my son in to see his neurologist yesterday. To Hillcrest Hospital in Tulsa. Dr. Miller, considered to be the top pediatric neurologist in the state. My son is 15 now but has been seeing Dr. Miller since he was 3 and started having seizures. So "going somewhere else" isn't really an option!

They have always had your basic gun buster sign on the doors. The handgun picture with the slash across it. And I've always ignored it. But yesterday I noticed the signs were much larger and had a lot of printing. So I stopped to read one. Now I wish I had taken a photo but didn't think of it until later.

It said no guns allowed... blah, blah, blah. Then it said this included legally carried weapons, whether concealed or openly carried. I was still ignoring it at this point... until I got to the end. Which said that anyone violating this policy would be "banned from the facility and prosecuting to the fullest extent of the law."

OK, there is no full extent of the law if you are a legal carrier of a concealed weapon. Unless they asked you to leave and you refused to go. But I was concerned about the "banned from the facility" thing. Somehow somebody bumps into your waist in the building and calls security. And then you are asked to leave and put on a permanent ban list. So you can't take your child to the best doctors anymore because you were doing something the state says is totally legal??

I'm unhappy with them at this point. I'll find an email address and complain but I'm sure they will ignore it. This is exactly the sort of anti-gun bias that upsets me. Which is funny when you think of it. Because if you actually got some hospital administrator to talk to you about it, I'm quite sure they would say they don't want guns carried into the building because a patient might somehow see the gun and that would "upset them." Somehow we aren't supposed to upset the anti-gun people but they are allowed to put up signs that upset us each and every time we have to walk by the signs??

Gregg

 

[Jack T.]

It isn't against the law to carry there. . .but it's their building and their rules.

 

[KOPBET]

Private property is private property.

 

[Arin Morris]

I guess the sign with that verbiage could be considered your notification and they could charge you with trespassing without any verbal complaint. That's the only extent of the law I can think of.

 

[Dukester]

I guess the sign with that verbiage could be considered your notification and they could charge you with trespassing without any verbal complaint. That's the only extent of the law I can think of.

I don't think that would work. If the sign could serve as notification followed immediately buy prosecution for trespass without being asked to leave, then that would essentially give the signs themselves legal weight which is not the case under the SDA. I think it's a scare tactic and I also think it is wrong.

 

[bulbboy]

It's not trespassing unless you don't leave when they ask you to - right?

 

[KOPBET]

It's not trespassing unless you don't leave when they ask you to - right?

Which is exactly what Hillcrest security will do in this case, ask you to leave.

 

[Dukester]

Which is exactly what Hillcrest security will do in this case, ask you to leave.

...and is the full extent of their "prosecution" options.

 

[hrdware]

It's not trespassing unless you don't leave when they ask you to - right?

Wrong.

Linky
Trespassing is hereby declared to be an offense and shall be defined as follows:

A.Each and every actual entry upon the premises of another person's real property, public or private, without the owner's or occupant's consent thereof, whether expressed or implied;
B.Each and every entry upon any public or private premises which is posted or where warning has been published to stay out of and off the premises;
C.Each and every entry in or upon any public property, except at times and upon conditions when it is subject to public use;
D.The use of any public building, except for the purpose of transacting business with a public corporation, unless the manner, purpose and extent of its use is first presented to and the consent given by the City of Tulsa;
E.Remaining upon the premises of another, whether public or private, and refusing to leave the premises forthwith after demand by the owner or occupant;
F.Remaining upon any property owned by or in the possession of the Tulsa Public School System or any parochial school in the City of Tulsa after such person has been requested to leave and vacate such school premises by any faculty member, principal, duly licensed security guard or police officer unless permission has been given by a faculty member, principal or designated school employee;
G.Remaining on private property at any time other than during posted hours of business operation after having been directed to vacate such premises by a police officer; provided, however, that the provisions to this subsection shall not apply to persons, including employees, whose presence upon such premises is authorized by the owner or by a person in lawful possession of such premises; nor shall the provisions of this subsection apply unless hours of business operation are posted upon such premises; or
H.Returning to private property before the posted time of opening for business operation on the next business day after having been directed to vacate such premises under the terms of Subsection 2106.G.

This is how trespassing is defined in Tulsa. According to item A, if you carry into a building past a no guns sign, then you are in the building without the owner's consent, thus you are trespassing. No verbal notice to leave required.

If I'm wearing a blue shirt, and they don't have a "no blue shirts" sign, then they have to ask me to leave, but if it is posted, that is your notice.

Prosecuting to the fullest extent of the law means charging you with trespass which would lead to up to a $200 fine plus any other costs.

 

[travisstorma]

I am in and out of many hospitals a week for work. I have yet to find any there aren't posted for everyeone.