Obama's Presidental Orders

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RickN

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How many "crazy" people have bought a gun and attacked a mall full of people? Just looking for stats........

Most of the mass shooting suspects have a history of mental illness. We need to find that happy middle ground where the truly crazy people can not get guns before none of us can.
 

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These are proposals. Nothing more. Don't break out the tin foil over it. He thinks he can make new law by executive order. It doesn't work like that. EO can only clarify existing law.

Just remember, whatever idiot happens to be residing in the White House can't do it. It takes an act of Congress.

Just like the "clarification" that ended in the 1989 and 1994 assault weapons bans.


Among the persons subject to the Federal mental health prohibitor are individuals who have been involuntarily committed to a mental institution; found incompetent to stand trial or not guilty by reason of insanity; or otherwise have been determined by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority to be a danger to themselves or others or to lack the mental capacity to contract or manage their own affairs, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease. Under this proposal, only covered entities with lawful authority to make adjudication or commitment decisions that make individuals subject to the Federal mental health prohibitor, or that serve as repositories of information for NICS reporting purposes, would be permitted to disclose the information needed for these purposes.

Wouldn't take a huge leap for the "lawful authorities" to deem anyone with PTSD a "danger to themselves or others". Same goes for anyone on an SSRI, or other medication - particularly that which deals with depression, anger management, etc.
 

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Just like the "clarification" that ended in the 1989 and 1994 assault weapons bans.





Wouldn't take a huge leap for the "lawful authorities" to deem anyone with PTSD a "danger to themselves or others". Same goes for anyone on an SSRI, or other medication - particularly that which deals with depression, anger management, etc.

The assault weapons ban of 1994 was not an executive order. It was a new law passed by Congress and signed by the president. The president cannot create law. It has to go through Congress. And we all saw how far O'Dummy's antigun agenda went after Sandy Hook.

You reference the assault weapons ban of 1989. Are you talking about the bill Reagan signed in 1986? Congress handed Reagan a new law/bill. On that bill was a ban on machine guns being sold in America that were manufactured after 1986. Other than that, the only such bill I remember from 1989 is when California banned certain brands of evil looking weapons, and that has nothing to do with our discussion.

I read your link. It absolutely does not give authorities access to a patient's medical records. That violates existing law. Congress is going to have to repeal existing law for that to happen. That's not on the table.

BTW, all the above proposal does is to expand the legal definition of mentally incompetent. Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective, etc?
That's already on the form.

But what I'm seeing on these forums that are discussing the topic is posters assuming that the ATF is automatically going to interface with a citizen's private medical records. That is not going to happen.
 

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It looks like Obama wants people to think he is addressing the mental health issue before he begins to go after our guns. Then he could say to detractors that he had clarified the mental health definitions and ATF applied them.
 

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From the second link,

"The Department of health and human services is issuing this notice of proposed rulemaking to modify the Health Insurance Portability and Accountiblity Act of 1996 (HIPPA) privacy rule to expressly permit certain HIPPA covered entities to disclose to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of indiviuals who are subject to a Federal "mental health prohibitor"...
 

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His pen is the mightiest ever. comrades

Exactly. This is your old friend from okc by the way. It's not complicated. Eventually it'll be anyone that has been prescribed anything. Anything that can be contrsued will be used to make it illegal for someone to own a firearm. It's a backdoor that will yield results. Psychos that want to kill people will. Somehow that fact is missed.
 
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