Policing for Profit: Oklahoma DA halts I-40 drug stops after criticism from judge

[RickN]

Not meant as a "legalize drugs" thread. I don't disguise threads. Clearly meant as a discussion about one of the biggest problems in America today - asset forfeiture laws that breed corruption and require no crime to be committed.

Sorry but I find that hard to believe, everyone one of these threads will always come back to drugs. Sometimes it is supposed to be about something the cops are doing wrong, sometimes about the Constitutional issues of the war on drugs, sometimes gun rights as opposed to druggie rights, but it ALWAYS comes back to drugs. I have even downloaded a selection of "This thread again" pics to start posting in them once I figure out which pic I want to use with which "topic".

 

[Foghorn]

No those guys are obndd agents.

Edit- the quote didnt work, I was answering the question about the guys in the state police tahoes...

 

[TerryMiller]

If only we were allowed to decide for ourselves what we put in/do with our own bodies.....

I guess that would be fine as long as those deciding for themselves NEVER tried to share with anyone else. But, it seldom seems to end at that.

You have a problem with two consenting adults sharing?

All in context, your first comment was about personal use for oneself. When one begins to "share" whether for profit or not, it becomes different, especially if one doesn't happen to be an adult.

That is when I have a problem. If an individual wants to mess up their minds and their lives, so be it, but when it affects others, it can become a crime. Can one "guarantee" that one's sharing will never cause negative effects in the lives of others?

 

[TerryMiller]

He was stopped because he had no tag on his car.
That is not minor.

I could have sworn it was a tag light or something. My point is every time there is a story about cops doing traffic stops people say they should be fighting real crime. Traffic stops are a great tool to fight "real crime".
Just to be clear I do not agree at all with the story in the OP.

Yeppers. I can verify that it was a missing tag that caught the attention of the OHP trooper. It wasn't until they had McVeigh in jail in Perry that they discovered a link to the Murrah bombing.

 

[AKguy1985]

He was stopped because he had no tag on his car.
That is not minor.

Thats just asking to be pulled over.

 

[TedKennedy]

Forfeiture laws are absolutely criminal.
Legalize drugs? Why not? The "legal", FDA-regulated drugs are more abused than anything else. Quit justifying midnight raids by SWAT teams for drug busts, seizure of private property by armed ____. (fill in the blank)

 

[Raoul Duke]

This thread is the weekly "legalize drugs" thread semi-cleverly disguised. Don't worry, you will get very used to it very quickly.

Ah yes, divert, distract, and delude. The hallmarks of perpetuating a state of denial that a problem actually exists and hijacking a serious discussion about it.

 

[OKTribalCop]

are these guys the one in the Tahoe's with the blacked out shields that say State Police on them working I-40 west of OKC?

No, those guys are OBNDD. They are pretty much doing the same thing (criminal interdiction).

 

[OKTribalCop]

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[henschman]

This is one great reason never consent to a search, even if you don't have any contraband (and especially if you do!). If you do have contraband, it is better to transport it in the trunk rather than the cab. Obviously, don't do stupid **** that will get you stopped or arrested while you are in possession of such things. If you do get arrested and/or charged with something, don't say anything, other than to your lawyer.