Poll: Snowden, (Hero) or (Traitor)

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Poll: Snowden, (Hero) or (Traitor)

  • Hero

    Votes: 66 68.0%
  • Traitor

    Votes: 31 32.0%

  • Total voters
    97
  • Poll closed .

mons meg

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My only comment is Hero's never run away from their duty, if what he did needed to be done fine but stand up for your beliefs. Don't run and hide like a coward.

Do we not remember how Bradley Manning was treated *before* trial? (even if he was a lot more clearly guilty) I would have had an exit plan, too.
 

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Putin said that he doesn't consider Snowden a traitor. So whose word do you take - Putin's or Obama's?

Well that's a tough one there. We know Obama has lied, has covered it up and will lie to us again. We believe Putin would lie to us.

I wouldn't take the word of either one of them. However, I do respect Putin more. At least he's a man. Obama? Not so much... :(
 

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Putin did a speech a while ago that had some little bit that made a little since...ill see if I can find the text.
Im not saying im ready to move to Russia im just saying politics goes beyond our boarders and leaders in other countries know how to or try to appeal to citizens of this great nation...to further their own nations cause
 
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New Snowden Doc Reveals How GCHQ/NSA Use The Internet To 'Manipulate, Deceive And Destroy Reputations'
from the and-not-just-terrorists dept
A few weeks ago, Glenn Greenwald, while working with NBC News, revealed some details of a GCHQ presentation concerning how the surveillance organization had a "dirty tricks" group known as JTRIG -- the Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group. Now, over at The Intercept, he's revealed the entire presentation and highlighted more details about how JTRIG would seek to infiltrate different groups online and destroy people's reputations -- going way, way, way beyond just targeting terrorist groups and threats to national security.

Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums.

For years, people have said that the purpose of groups like the NSA and GCHQ were merely "signals intelligence," which were about understanding and decoding signals, not about taking any sort of offensive standpoint. However, as the Snowden docs have repeatedly revealed, the mandate of these organizations has long been much more offensively based, and they seem to have little problem with using questionable tactics to destroy people's lives. As Greenwald notes, is this really a power you trust a totally secretive government agency with almost no real oversight to use without it being abused?

There's a lot more in Greenwald's writeup, which you should read, but just a few of the key slides are worth reading to get a sense of what's going on here. This isn't just about infiltrating terrorist organizations. They seem to be using these kinds of techniques on just about anyone they dislike, which harkens back to the Hoover-era FBI infiltrating and seeking to discredit anti-war groups. It also raises very serious questions about whether these efforts are being used to stifle political expression.


The full presentation is embedded below. The cover slide is really something...
The Art of Deception Training for a New (PDF)
The Art of Deception Training for a New (Text)
 

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