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Red Dirt Walker

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It's interesting to see anyone debating the "patriots v tyrants" model anymore. There won't be two distinct sides to cheer or boo. There will be hundreds, if not thousands of factions all vying for local control. The only thing resembling a "win", would be remaining off the field and avoiding the fray.
This I believe would be more correct than a 2 sided affair. I do believe there would be coalitions formed by similar groups though. Not sure there would be enough in one group to indicate they have the power though.
 

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I've seen war... no sane human being wants it anywhere near US soil. But it may eventually (and sooner rather than later) be inevitable. There will be two constants, within the overall turmoil and uncertainty, that indicate a serious advantage for conservatives.

First, the common enemy to all conservative factions [however many/diverse those factions may or may not be] will be the Democrat/Socialist Party leadership, at both state and federal levels. That leadership IS the 'domestic enemy' that all military and law enforcement members have sworn an oath - on their personal honor, which the vast majority of those sworn individuals do value - to protect this country against.

Second, Leftists' reliance on organized military to support the existing government/regime is... misplaced, at best. Our military is comprised of citizen-soldiers. They, along with their families and relatives, work/function/live here in our open society. The number of military members who would willingly just blindly open fire on American citizens is considerably smaller than Leftists believe it to be. [Example: saw a great meme in which a group of soldiers were standing around a pro-Trump sign, and the caption said... "There are no such pro-Biden pictures, anywhere."]
 

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What makes biden think the F15’s world be on his side. The pilots and crew of those aircraft and the rest of the military have sworn to defend the constitution of both foreign and DOMESTIC enemies. Biden and his demorat socialists who have been trying to destroy the constitution would be the domestic enemies that oath is referring to.
 

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What makes biden think the F15’s world be on his side. The pilots and crew of those aircraft and the rest of the military have sworn to defend the constitution of both foreign and DOMESTIC enemies. Biden and his demorat socialists who have been trying to destroy the constitution would be the domestic enemies that oath is referring to.
Just because a person has taken oath doesn't mean that will adhere to that oath. What if a conflict starts because of a more serious Jan 6th where people actually do have weapons and do intent an overthrow. Will the military be defending the Constitution after that initial attempt with the people that committed the attempt or Biden?

Lots of factors here involving military and law enforcement.
 

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Two things about manufacturing. We do not have the manufacturing base we once had and it would be damn near impossible to create a war machine.

With the just-in-time manufacturing we do have it wouldn't be long until the factories that went indie would run out of raw materials.
I wonder if you even know how right you are. JIT a/k/a Lean Manufacturing is the biggest crock. It's almost like a religion in the manufacturing community. Lots of buzzwords and philosophical accounting theory that have ZERO tangible real world benefit to the manufacturer and a lot of it is just falsehood latched onto by accountants and managers. Almost every aspect of it can be done in a "warehouse stocking" environment but you won't hear manufacturers today saying that. Japan developed it out of necessity after WWII and somewhere the concept got bastardized and morphed into what it is today, which is complete BS.

I was in manufacturing for 30 years when it all became mainstream here in the US. I actually had to develop, run and audit SPC reports for lot sizes of ten pieces for the F-22 parts we were building. What a crock...glad to be out of that nonsense as I have absolutely have lost my tolerance for bogus nonsense.
 
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Just because a person has taken oath doesn't mean that will adhere to that oath. What if a conflict starts because of a more serious Jan 6th where people actually do have weapons and do intent an overthrow. Will the military be defending the Constitution after that initial attempt with the people that committed the attempt or Biden?

Lots of factors here involving military and law enforcement.
Probably not with an isolated j6 type of armed attempted overthrow. However, we’re discussing the possibility of a nationwide civil war that would be spurred by a major incident that could create massive civil unrest. Such as one group trying to eliminate a popular candidate from appearing on a national election ballot.
 

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I wonder if you even know how right you are. JIT a/k/a Lean Manufacturing is the biggest crock. It's almost like a religion in the manufacturing community. Lots of buzzwords and philosophical accounting theory that have ZERO tangible real world benefit to the manufacturer and a lot of it is just falsehood latched onto by accountants and managers. Almost every aspect of it can be done in a "warehouse stocking" environment but you won't hear manufacturers today saying that. Japan developed it out of necessity after WWII and somewhere the concept got bastardized and morphed into what it is today, which is complete BS.

I was in manufacturing for 30 years when it all became mainstream here in the US. I actually had to develop, run and audit SPC reports for lot sizes of ten pieces for the F-22 parts were were building. What a crock...glad to be out of that nonsense as I have absolutely have lost my tolerance for bogus nonsense.
RIP WIP! :pms2:
 

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If the politicians had wanted to win in Viet Nam there wouldn't have been anything left after the US military got done with them. That wasn't a military failure. The only reason VN "won" that war is because the politicians wouldn't let our military win.

I've often wondered why so many on the right have such a romantic notion about another civil war and why they so readily assume their side would win. No one in their right mind would want such a thing.

Things are not the same as they were in 1776. It wouldn't be as easy as so many think it would be. Another thing the right often gets wrong is the left's willingness to resort to violence. The left ALWAYS resorts to violence first. The leftists in the world were responsible for over 200 million dead in the 20th century.
I have met alot of folks on the right that are of that gonna fight mindset that have absolutely no notions that they will win and have not romanticized what is coming , only that they wont be forced to live any other way. They feel as if they have given up all they care to give up . May not be the majority of "preppers " but definatly a good amount. Average prepper is basically just hedging his bets. We have all witnessed generations of the silent majority before us ,it may be that some are just not willing to be so quiet anymore.
 

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If the politicians had wanted to win in Viet Nam there wouldn't have been anything left after the US military got done with them. That wasn't a military failure. The only reason VN "won" that war is because the politicians wouldn't let our military win.
That's exactly correct. Gen Macnamara was frustrated with the politicians and said if given the men and munitions requested, he could win the war in short order. He was recalled to the pentagon and replaced by General Abrams. After a year or so, Abrams said the same thing. He was replaced and returned to the US. At least they named a tank after him.
Politics cost the US a win in that war. It started in the Korean war and continued to the latest in the middle east. We will never win a war winning hearts and minds. War is to kill people and break things. Something our politicians won't allow, but Israel understands all too well.
 
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