SCOTUS Healthcare Ruling

[Shadowrider]

Because the states' get a ton of Federal funding for roads, health care, defense, public safety, education, etc.

They got us by the nuts. We're too dependent on those funds to turn them down now. Specifically, in this very ruling, it stated that states can be denied future Medicare and/or Medicaid funding if they do not comply.

And this is what pizzes me the hell off, and specifically what I think will cause our downfall. Why don't the states just fly the middle finger :finger: to the feds and keep the money at home? Quit paying into the .gov teat and quit consuming from it, seems justifiable. Lord knows the states can utilize it better and more efficiently for their individual needs.

 

[farmerbyron]

Not really. There was for all intents and purposes no middle-class before WWII. The returning soldiers spurred a housing boom, baby boom, billions of dollars in war bonds matured at once, a permanent war manufacturing economy was established, the G.I. Bill trained millions of G.I.'s for well paid jobs which spurred city and suburban growth, the Interstate Highway Act and automobile-based industries exploded onto the scene, the tax rate was beneficial to paying off the debt, etc.

Eisenhower was mentioned earlier - it should be noted that he supported drastically different economic policies than the average Republican today. Hell, so did Nixon. What we see today is pretty young and owes its roots to Reaganomics.

The debt incurred from WWII was leveled quickly as a result of WWII itself. Your "bootstrap" generation had an unprecedented amount of help pulling those boots on.

Eisenhower was also un encumbered with a massive social safety net which no doubt assisted in paying down WWII debt. Building roads is cheap compared to providing for 50% of a population.

That WWII generation had some help during the depression but post WWII, the work ethic they possessed was the major driving force in the economy.

If the current generation faced the same adversities that the WWII generation faced, we would fold like a house of cards. Guess we will probably find out because the spending and govt overreach we are getting now is going to result in some very trying times.

 

[RidgeHunter]

Eisenhower was also un encumbered with a massive social safety net which no doubt assisted in paying down WWII debt. Building roads is cheap compared to providing for 50% of a population.

I'd disagree with with that. He continued FDR's programs, expanded social security, and vehemently opposed reducing tax rates that would get him lynched on OSA. Like Hobbes said, take into account the (corporate) tax rate in that era.

The quickness to bash our generation for our economic expectations, by our own peers, is funny to me. Myself and none of my peers I know expect to be able to have anywhere close to the lifestyle our grandparents had with the same education and same type of employment. What's a pension? What's a labor union? (unions were booming in the 50's, funny the bootstrap generation thrived off of what today's Republicans blame every evil of the world on - bootstrap folks shouldn't need unions...right?), what's a pension plan? You mean work pays you AFTER you quit? Get outta here. What's 40 years and a gold watch?

Our generation sucks for many reasons, but we certainly aren't dealing with a drastically cushier economic reality than the baby boomers or their parents (post-WWII family starters) faced. I don't feel "entitled" to any of the things people 50 years ago took for granted - because they don't exist anymore.

 

[Dave70968]

And this is what pizzes me the hell off, and specifically what I think will cause our downfall. Why don't the states just fly the middle finger :finger: to the feds and keep the money at home? Quit paying into the .gov teat and quit consuming from it, seems justifiable. Lord knows the states can utilize it better and more efficiently for their individual needs.

Because since the Sixteenth Amendment, fed.gov has been getting its money directly from the citizens, instead of the states. The states can't "keep" what they never hold in the first place.

The Sixteenth and Seventeenth Amendments are huge contributors to the growth of the imperial federal government.

 

[JB Books]

again Oklahoma gambles and loses ($54M), http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southcentral/2012/03/12/239075.htm.

Hey it's coming from the middle class, not the elite. So, keep voting the lackeys of BIG business in and let's see how much further our state can slide into the abyss.

 

[Glocktogo]

Hey it's coming from the middle class, not the elite. So, keep voting the lackeys of BIG business in and let's see how much further our state can slide into the abyss.

Oklahoma can sink to the bottom of the ocean for all I care anymore. Damn their souls for denying us the freedom to choose who we vote for!

 

[Clay]

Oklahoma can sink to the bottom of the ocean for all I care anymore. Damn their souls for denying us the freedom to choose who we vote for!

Spoken like a true American Patriot with fight in him.

 

[71buickfreak]

The question is what are we going to do about it? Voting doesn't seem to make a damn difference anymore.

 

[Clay]

The question is what are we going to do about it? Voting doesn't seem to make a damn difference anymore.

Its going to take a masive uprising. A march on Washington maybe. Over a million men too. We are going to have to say NO to these tyrants.

 

[sanjuro893]

Maybe we could oust all the neo-cons that took over the tea party and go from there?