SCOTUS Healthcare Ruling

[jsl_pt]

Yeah I said I want to live like 1776, so yeah I get to define what that means, lol.

 

[farmerbyron]

If you want to "live according to 1776" you won't be requiring health care anyway. The wonders of modern surgery and pharmacuticals shouldn't interest you at all, but at least you'll have the liberties of the founders, most of whom never lived to be sixty.
If you want to duplicate their liberty you have to duplicate their life world too dont you?

Most retarded post in thread. ^^


just because someone wants the personal liberty guaranteed by the constitution, doesn't mean that they want to live like the Amish.

 

[ignerntbend]

Sorry, if we dont have the Fouders life world we sort of have to speculate on what they would do in our situation.
One thing that I think they would find pathetic about us is that we have this pathetic tendency to revere THEM as gods.
If we could summon up Madison's ghost at our little seance, He'd express disgust at the fact that we aren't our own men
in our own time, and we don't have enough sense to cut our own road

 

[3inSlugger]

Sorry, if we dont have the Fouders life world we sort of have to speculate on what they would do in our situation.
One thing that I think they would find pathetic about us is that we have this pathetic tendency to revere THEM as gods.
If we could summon up Madison's ghost at our little seance, He'd express disgust at the fact that we aren't our own men
in our own time, and we don't have enough sense to cut our own road

Thank you.

They were great men with great ideas but unforgettable faults.

A new revolution can't thrive off men dead 200+ years ago.

 

[greenbeetle]

The healthcare systems prior to Obama care was an unfunded disaster that was headed for collapse. President Obama's healthcare plan has not changed the trajectory.

The government is the largest single payor of healthcare costs and they have run out of money. We do not have the resources or dollars to support our current healthcare system now or after Obamacare takes effect in 2014. That is a fact.

How do we pay for something we need when the government doesn't have the money? You can cut costs but that doesn't make up the difference. There is only one answer left. When you need money you go to people with jobs - "because they have money".

So for those of you who pay taxes let me ask you. Do you want to send your money to the government in the form of higher taxes to squander negligently trying to pay our healthcare costs or do you want to send it to a private health insurance company in the form of premiums and keep your $ in the private sector? These are our only two choices. The bill must be paid. Buy health insurance when you're healthy or pay higher taxes.

I want my money circulating in the private sector, please. Not circulating in the DC cesspool where we'll get $0.10 of value for every dollar sent.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

 

[3inSlugger]

The healthcare systems prior to Obama care was an unfunded disaster that was headed for collapse. President Obama's healthcare plan has not changed the trajectory.

The government is the largest single payor of healthcare costs and they have run out of money. We do not have the resources or dollars to support our current healthcare system now or after Obamacare takes effect in 2014. That is a fact.

How do we pay for something we need when the government doesn't have the money? You can cut costs but that doesn't make up the difference. There is only one answer left. When you need money you go to people with jobs - "because they have money".

So for those of you who pay taxes let me ask you. Do you want to send your money to the government in the form of higher taxes to squander negligently trying to pay our healthcare costs or do you want to send it to a private health insurance company in the form of premiums and keep your $ in the private sector? These are our only two choices. The bill must be paid. Buy health insurance when you're healthy or pay higher taxes.

I want my money circulating in the private sector, please. Not circulating in the DC cesspool where we'll get $0.10 of value for every dollar sent.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Sane, insightful, and meaningful comments are frowned upon at OSA.

But seriously, always go private over government.

 

[3inSlugger]

 

[ignerntbend]

Most retarded post in thread. ^^


just because someone wants the personal liberty guaranteed by the constitution, doesn't mean that they want to live like the Amish.

Why not? Look at this obtrusive government we've got out there. Teddy Roosevelt is to blame.
He's the sorry bastard that decided that consumer products should be safe and children shouldn't be working in
coal mines. Well, the founders lived in a world where everbody knew the farmer the blacksmith and the wheelwrite.
As soon as you go beyond the Amish, there are potentially oppressive forces staring at you from every which away, and only one of them is the government. Nothing we can do about it on account of the founders.

 

[jsl_pt]

Why not? Look at this obtrusive government we've got out there. Teddy Roosevelt is to blame.
He's the sorry bastard that decided that consumer products should be safe and children shouldn't be working in
coal mines. Well, the founders lived in a world where everbody knew the farmer the blacksmith and the wheelwrite.
As soon as you go beyond the Amish, there are potentially oppressive forces staring at you from every which away, and only one of them is the government. Nothing we can do about it on account of the founders.

You make no sense!

You rely on government for everything. YOU probably could not make it without them in your life.
Teddy must be your hero, lol, that's why you don't like the founders. Without him we'd all besting from unsafe products and 5 year olds in coal mines?

 

[MLR]

I jut don't see how people quell the dissonance of accepting a state-level mandate as legit, and preaching that a fed-level mandate is the end of the world. So everyone here who is opposed to Obamacare would not dissent if Oklahoma passed a state-level healthcare plan that required you to purchase insurance? You wouldn't view that as an infringement on your idividual freedom at all?

All it seems like is rationalizing supporting a GOP candidate that does not share your values and beliefs.

If I did dissent it would be because I disagree with the Law. Not the States power to invoke it. While the State of Oklahoma may pass many laws that infringe on my personal freedom it is within their powers to do so unless they conflict with the enumerated powers given to the Feds.

To make it clear. I believe that any power the Federal Government claims to possess not enumerated in the Constitution and its amendments to be illegal. The document clearly states how and under what conditions that additional powers can be given to the Feds. Where in the Constitution does it state the the Federal Government can claim new powers except by using the Amendment process? Where does it say that one branch of Government could pull new powers out of thin air to meet some new need?

Michael

Michael