SCOTUS Healthcare Ruling

[WTJ]

It does not fit....but I'm off to be a prole and work my azz off. I'll be back later...nice talking to you WTJ.

Roger that. Good visit!

 

[WTJ]

Is that Socialist Sarcasm?

 

[WTJ]

You are absolutely 100% incorrect.

I know you think I am. Are you gonna shave my head and send me to Oklahoma? I guess it's a good thing that your belief in my correctness has absolutely zero effect on my well being?

Ya know, I forgot to tell you that your devotion to the Democratic Party Machine is "absolutely 100% incorrect." I bet that just made you join the Libertarians, didn't it?

 

[JB Books]

I know you think I am. Are you gonna shave my head and send me to Oklahoma? I guess it's a good thing that your belief in my correctness has absolutely zero effect on my well being?

Ya know, I forgot to tell you that your devotion to the Democratic Party Machine is "absolutely 100% incorrect." I bet that just made you join the Libertarians, didn't it?

I am a complete capitalist. I think the democrats are wrong on lots of issues, but a least they have a social conscious and have not attempted to buy the legislature and prevent access to the courts for regular working folks.

 

[WTJ]

I am a complete capitalist. I think the democrats are wrong on lots of issues, but a least they have a social conscious and have not attempted to buy the legislature and prevent access to the courts for regular working folks.

I cannot afford their version of a "social conscious". I refer to that as 'vote-buying'. I disagree, obviously, on the influence pandering. Both sides are equally guilty of this with different justifications. You are correct in the comment that the Courts system is for sale to the highest bidder, and that is a terrible thing.

A question: As much of public legislative and judicial office is filled by attorneys, would you consider that course of events self-inflicted?


While I agree that we have a responsibility as Americans to take care of our own, I flat disagree with funding the lazy, the spawn of the lazy, non-citizens or the forcing of any 'value system' on the country through imperial fiat. I will, however, pay my EQUAL share (think percentage) for the right to be left the hell alone.

 

[JB Books]

I didn't say the court system is for sale to the highest bidder. I think the legislature is at risk for that. Big business sells the public lies about how evil attorneys are and how our jury system is out of control. And the public buys it.

One of the biggest fallacies in this part of the country is the belief that "good old fashioned sense" somehow trumps education and intellectual ability.

You wouldn't go to your neighbor who has a lot of horse sense to perform cardiac surgery, why do you want him to craft your laws?

 

[RidgeHunter]

Sorry, RH, I just cannot agree with this one. They are pure Communists, along with about 75% of the oxymoronic "Republicans". A large part of the reason is self-preservation. In order to get the votes of the urban centers, you have to push entitlements.

I stand by my statement that mainstream Democratic politicians and the average registered Democrat has moved to the right when compared to the majority of the 20th century.

I base this on American history, and my own personal observations. FDR was demonstrably more liberal and progressive than Obama. LBJ was clearly more liberal than Obama (Great Society). JFK was more liberal than Obama (New Frontier).

The Democratic party had consisted of social liberals (i.e., believe social justice should be a component of government) and progressives since the New Deal era or earlier. Clearly from the 1930's to the 1960's the Democratic party and its politicians championed social-justice related causes. Then you have the New Left , which again was waaay more liberal than the average democrat today. Obama is not liberal at all compared to the 20th century version of his party.

Half my family consists of dirt-farming Okie Democrats, and my grandmother who is about to turn 85 is more liberal when it comes to social justice issues than most anyone you'd find today.

I really don't see how anyone with so much as a cursory knowledge of 20th-centuy American politics can say "the democrats have been taken over by socialists/far lefties/what the hell ever". No, that's simply the values that party has represented for most all of modern history. What the fawk do you think the New Deal, the New Frontier and the Great Society were? Only today they don't push it nearly as hard because the populace has been polarized and has forced them to walk a tightrope.

And Republicans, well I can't even say they've moved to the right. They've pretty much just become bitter, regressive assholes with no plans and no ideas whose only purpose in life is to yell about, and try to counter things the Democrats do. It's pretty clear the Republican party was further to the left in the 1950's than it is today. Read the 1956 Republican Party Platform. Sounds a lot like the Democratic party of today.

I'm telling you, some people live in a fantasy world when it comes to this stuff. It's pure revisionist history, or it's pure ignorance.

 

[RidgeHunter]

My replies are in bold.

Michael

I get your viewpoint; thanks for replying reasonably.

I differ from you in that I think pragmatism and common sense should be used a bit and a 100% strict Constitutionalist approach is unreasonable. A strict Constitutionalist believes things like anyone who doesn't think the National Park Service Act of 1916 as an obvious illegal threat the well being of our nation is a nutjob, and I personally believe strict Constitutionalists are nutjobs for such viewpoints.

REPEAL YELLOWSTONE!!! IMPEACH GRANT!!! NO FEDS NO OWN NO TREES NO NEVER!!!

 

[sanjuro893]

So getting back to the actual healthcare bill, are we just supposed to shut up and be happy with it? I'm sorry, but they could have passed plenty of stuff in that bill to help those without insurance (capping premiums, getting rid of pre-existing condition stuff, etc.) without severely limiting ALL of us of our choices when it comes to healthcare and insurance. A review panel to review what kind of pain I'm in??? Really? This bill still sucks dog ballz and the people who support it are fools who advocate sacrificing "liberty for safety".

 

[Hobbes]

Here is a government mandate from 1792:


Each and every free able-bodied white male citizen...who is or shall be of the age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years...shall...be enrolled in the militia....Every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges....” [emphasis added]

What a bunch of communists.