Maybe you had the same one 3 times...The 870 is the worst shotgun I've ever owned, and I've had 3 of them for some idiotic reason.
Maybe you had the same one 3 times...The 870 is the worst shotgun I've ever owned, and I've had 3 of them for some idiotic reason.
What? Are you insane? The tang safety was an extraordinarily bad idea. Rick,Rick,Rick, I’m beginning to fear that you caint perteckt yourself against a bad guy in your house.
You’re posting in a public forum. Let’s hope nobody breaks into your house on an attempt to steal the pop tarts out of your lunchbox, you feeble old bastard.
I had a pump Mossy 600AT that was police issue only. 3" chambers, drilled and tapped for scope mounting, etc.The 870 is the worst shotgun I've ever owned, and I've had 3 of them for some idiotic reason.
The Mossberg 500, 590 and even the Maverick were leaps and bounds better shotguns than the crappy Remington.
Having said that though, I'm completely done with pump shotguns.
I've been running a Benelli M2 for at least 6 years now and I honestly don't know how to do a malfunction drill on it because I've never had a reason to.
Remington = $#!T is what I'm saying.
99% of people using shotguns for HD don't ever pattern them. Even a cylinder bore at hallway ranges which is about 10 to 15 feet is going to require rifle like accuracy, but 00, or 000 does produce a big hole.As a shotgun "guy" I've got to tell you L.E. use of shotguns is terrible. Buckshot patterns are capricious at best, and even the very best loads will have a "flier" or two in the 15-25 yard range. Each one of those is a HUGE liability!.......YES!!!! I am including the flight control ammo! Most departments have a qual that requires hip shooting....which is almost criminal negligence in application! They don't maintain them, they don't know how to load them, and they sure don't understand it's limitations. "Load them with slugs" they say, and yet most don't have sights! "You can't miss cause the pattern spreads out"! Is a common misconception, and liability in the making. Now with that said, if I was kicking doors and the first in I would want a shotgun with triple ought buck about 16-18" long with as many shells as that would hold. Lots of air in and lots of fluid out! Kind of like a .H.D. shotgun, I work want it semi auto, and I would want trittum In the front sight with a light. An entry shotgun is just like an H.D. shotgun, and any buckshot from #4 up is king!
A rifled choke changes that game!!!!!99% of people using shotguns for HD don't ever pattern them. Even a cylinder bore at hallway ranges which is about 10 to 15 feet is going to require rifle like accuracy, but 00, or 000 does produce a big hole.
A rifled choke changes that game!!!!!
As a shotgun "guy" I've got to tell you L.E. use of shotguns is terrible. Buckshot patterns are capricious at best, and even the very best loads will have a "flier" or two in the 15-25 yard range. Each one of those is a HUGE liability!.......YES!!!! I am including the flight control ammo! Most departments have a qual that requiers hip shooting....which is almost criminal negligence in application! They don't maintain them, they don't know how to load them, and they sure don't understand it's limitations. "Load them with slugs" they say, and yet most don't have sights! "You can't miss cause the pattern spreads out"! Is a common misconception, and liability in the making. Now with that said, if I was kicking doors and the first in I would want a shotgun with triple ought buck about 16-18" long with as many shells as that would hold. Lots of air in and lots of fluid out! Kind of like a .H.D. shotgun, I would want it to be a semi auto, and I would want trittum In the front sight with a light. An entry shotgun is just like an H.D. shotgun, and any buckshot from #4 up is king!
Lengthening forcing cone can improve shot patterns in shotguns (as in tighter/uniform) , but has little to do with helping HD shotguns at close distances. For those of you that have shot a shotgun in the form of Rem 870 all your life its a great HD weapon. Dont let someone tell you that the heat of the battle will make you malfunction, short stroke, forget where the safety is, forgot to chamber, cant operate if one arm wounded, and the pattern is too tight for close range, etc blah blah blah. All that stuff applies to all firearms when real things go down.Things can be made to the other toward the other end of the barrel as well. Modifications to the forcing cone area can make remarkable improvements in patterns. My 14” cylinder bore 870 places 9 pellet federal all will within the torso in the target at 25y. This is with the older reduced recoil or tactical versions. Not the more recent LE133 Flight Control wad that I need to pattern.
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