Should we get Reinvolved with Iraq?

[TwoForFlinching]

An unfortunate inevitability in the real world. Like Dennis said, do it right or don't.

The why not 'don't'... Shouldn't have been there under either Bush, shouldn't go back now.

 

[Shadowrider]

The why not 'don't'... Shouldn't have been there under either Bush, shouldn't go back now.

Did you miss this part?

I say

I was just saying that if we do it will just be more of the same and how I'd do it differently if it were me and I decided to "help".

 

[dennishoddy]

Maybe they forget it because it isn't true. The vote to authorize the use of force in Iraq was passed in October of 2002. Inspections were ongoing in Iraq and the intelligence was incomplete.

Listen to the floor debate that preceded the vote in the Senate. This stuff is still archived on c-span and probably on youtube as well.

"The authorization should be used only when the U.N. has determined that the Iraqis are in violation of resolution 1441" Didn't happen.

"We should go to war only in concert with our NATO allies." Didn't happen. We went to war with a coalition that mostly consisted of third world countries that cashed the checks we wrote them and contributed nothing.

Of course, voting to trust the judgment of George W. Bush has been reduced to the short hand "voted for the war." Fair enough. I hope God forgives Kerry, Clinton, Edwards et al for that tragic lapse in judgment.

In any case, to say that a vote in October 2002 to trust Bush is the same as seeing "all the intelligence" in March 2003 is simply not accurate. The intelligence was still developing. Or maybe it was not developing. Those silly incompetent inspectors were to stupid and blind to find what wasn't there.

Reply with some links to what your saying. The liberal media was giddy with everybody signing on in congress, and if I remember right, they had to do two votes, because some of the dems were wanting in on the "go to war" vote, and were not in attendance at the time. It was unanimous.

 

[TwoForFlinching]

Did you miss this part?



I was just saying that if we do it will just be more of the same and how I'd do it differently if it were me and I decided to "help".

Didn't mean you personally, all in general.

 

[ignerntbend]

Google Authorization for the use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution 2002

or

H.J.Res114-Bill Text-107 Congress (2001-2002)
You'll get thousands of hits. It was a huge deal Dennis.

 

[dennishoddy]

Ok, I did. Here is a link to Public Law 107-243
107th Congress.

Show me what part supports your position. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107publ243.htm



Here is a link to the H.J.Res114 bill.

Show me where you support your position in this document.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.3162.ENR:

 

[ignerntbend]

Well, having read the first line of the first link, the date is notable 2002

 

[dennishoddy]

That is when it happened?

 

[ignerntbend]

And Dennis, I AM not arguing that the resolution didn't give Bush the authority to invade Iraq. It did give him that authority. Obviously.

 

[ignerntbend]

That is when it happened?

Yeah October 16.