The reality of a minimum wage

[okierider]

I know what the terms mean Dave! What the end result is I also know!
How about this, Can you have a discussion without being a demeaning ass or do you live life to be condescending!!
Dave you seem to miss the point! I don't give a **** about other countries when we have third world conditions here in America that need to be dealt with before we reallocate our money to other countries, and that is what it amounts to. Take money from the money makers and spread it around at the detriment of the money makers and soon that will sink the money makers.
Keep spouting all that new world order dogma you want and keep ignoring what these practices are doing here at home because that is your right to do , but why don't you try actually try having a discussion without being an ass about it. Seems you think that is appropriate behavior!!! It is not.

 

[Dave70968]

I know what the terms mean Dave!

Apparently not; you said a lower labor cost was not a "competitive advantage," when it clearly is, and you said a lack of human intervention into the market is "artificial," when it clearly is not.

Dave you seem to miss the point! I don't give a **** about other countries when we have third world conditions here in America that need to be dealt with before we reallocate our money to other countries, and that is what it amounts to. Take money from the money makers and spread it around at the detriment of the money makers and soon that will sink the money makers.

And I pointed out how it benefits us. But if you truly have the courage of your convictions, I'm sure you can show us how you live by the principles you espouse. Unless, of course, you're a hypocrite.

 

[okierider]

LOL ! Yep you are incapable of having a grown up conversation!!

 

[Dave70968]

LOL ! Yep you are incapable of having a grown up conversation!!

Well, then, why don't you step up to the plate and demonstrate--with facts and evidence--where I've said is inaccurate or wrong?

 

[emapples]

I know what the terms mean Dave! What the end result is I also know!
How about this, Can you have a discussion without being a demeaning ass or do you live life to be condescending!!
Dave you seem to miss the point! I don't give a **** about other countries when we have third world conditions here in America that need to be dealt with before we reallocate our money to other countries, and that is what it amounts to. Take money from the money makers and spread it around at the detriment of the money makers and soon that will sink the money makers.
Keep spouting all that new world order dogma you want and keep ignoring what these practices are doing here at home because that is your right to do , but why don't you try actually try having a discussion without being an ass about it. Seems you think that is appropriate behavior!!! It is not.

I finally blocked Ace, YG and D-bag Dave.....OSA is so much more pleasant now, there are two more on the hit list Indy something and Donner or Bonner but as soon as o see them they will be ignored too ..... troll destruction mode

 

[okierider]

I will do that when you demonstrate you can have a discussion with out name calling and being condescending!!

 

[Dave70968]

I finally blocked Ace, YG and D-bag Dave.....OSA is so much more pleasant now, there are two more on the hit list Indy something and Donner or Bonner but as soon as o see them they will be ignored too ..... troll destruction mode

Heh. okierider changes the definition of words to suit his argument, argues with emotion, gets offended when people cite facts and definitions; emapples needs a "safe space" where people like YG, Ace, and I don't disagree with him, both resort to personal attacks and name-calling (ass, D-bag, troll) when they can't argue on the merits...

...and we're the liberals!

 

[Dave70968]

I will do that when you demonstrate you can have a discussion with out name calling and being condescending!!

I'm calling names? Yes, I implied that you're a hypocrite, but that can be demonstrated factually. I also pointed out where you were using terms to mean essentially the opposite of their meaning--not just subtly wrong, but totally and completely wrong.

I'm sorry if you find facts and definitions inconvenient to your argument, but I've supported my argument rationally. You're the one saying "I don't like you, so I'm not going to provide any support," and expect that to be a winning case.

 

[okierider]

LOL !!

 

[doctorjj]

What is 'Competitive Advantage'
Competitive advantages are conditions that allow a company or country to produce a good or service at a lower price or in a more desirable fashion for customers. These conditions allow the productive entity to generate more sales or superior margins than its competition. Competitive advantages are attributed to a variety of factors, including cost structure, brand, quality of product offerings, distribution network, intellectual property and customer support.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/competitive_advantage.asp

Really, if you don't even know what the term means, I don't know how you can discuss it rationally.


artificially ar·ti·fi·cial··ly adverb 1. by means of human intervention rather than naturally.

How is not imposing legislative or other wage standards "artificial?" If anything, we're the ones artificially distorting the market.

Words have meanings. Learn them. Use them.


It has had some negative effects. It has also had a lot of positive effects--chiefly, an increased standard of living across the board through the availability of all sorts of products, from consumer goods to durable goods to means of commercial and industrial production at much lower costs than if they were all manufactured at prevailing "all-American" costs. Where are your clothes made? Five'll get you ten a significant portion of your wardrobe was made abroad...and before you start telling tales about how that's your only option, I'd point out that http://store.americanapparel.net/en/ has a full-line of made-in-USA clothes, from socks and underwear to shirts, pants, and shorts. Don't like that brand? Here's a list of fourteen American-made brands: http://www.thegoodtrade.com/features/american-made-clothing-brands . A few more? Sure: http://www.ibuyamericanstore.com/?module=Directory&event=View&comID=4 has a list, including http://www.allamericanclothing.com/ . Go ahead, post pictures of the tags in your clothes showing us how you "take care of America first" instead of taking advantage of the lower costs. Put your money where your mouth is.

As for the "low wage and **** work environment," it's decidedly better than what a lot would have in the absence of such jobs. Think subsistence-level (or less) farming. I'm not saying it's our duty to raise them up, but trade--absent coercion--only occurs when both sides value what they're getting more than what they're giving up; otherwise, why would they make that choice? We trade because we get something out of it; they trade for the same reason, and both sides are better off for it. Such has been the case since Og first said to Thag "you give me berries, me give you meat." Yes, it means some people who have made their lives doing one thing, and are now undercut by somebody working cheaper, are going to have to adjust to that change, but change is the only constant in the universe. Nobody has a right to pick something as a career, then demand to make a living at it for forty or fifty years without adapting to the world around him.

Almost all of my clothes are made in the USA or Canada. A lot of people won't pay $200+ for jeans though.