The Welfare Myth

[Blinocac200sx]

I too want them to get what they need, and a government program is not it.

 

[338Shooter]

haha, fat chance.

 

[LightningCrash]

I too want them to get what they need, and a government program is not it.

The fallacy pushed here in this thread has been that you only have two choices: Government taxes feeding kids or kids starving.


But let's go to a real question: If the charities functioned well enough, then shouldn't a government assistance program operate in a vacuum? Is the government taking away opportunity from charities, or is the government simply filling in the gaps where charities don't succeed?

 

[gillman7]

The fallacy pushed here in this thread has been that you only have two choices: Government taxes feeding kids or kids starving.


But let's go to a real question: If the charities functioned well enough, then shouldn't a government assistance program operate in a vacuum? Is the government taking away opportunity from charities, or is the government simply filling in the gaps where charities don't succeed?

Thank you!! that is my belief all through this thread and before this thread. The government steps in when churches and private charities don't take ownership. Maybe we shouldn't be building Million Dollar churches, and funnel those funds to the community that God placed them in. How about the same fiscal responsibility for churches and private charities that we are asking of the government.

 

[BadgeBunny]

thank you!! That is my belief all through this thread and before this thread. The government steps in when churches and private charities don't take ownership. maybe we shouldn't be building million dollar churches, and funnel those funds to the community that god placed them in. how about the same fiscal responsibility for churches and private charities that we are asking of the government.

And a big THANK YOU!!!!!

 

[EFsDad]

The money coming from the Dept of Agriculture is some of the worst welfare out there... mostly getting paid to people who are anti-welfare, but have no problem cashing their own welfare checks.

I get paid for a service my friend, however you want to slice it. Unless you are talking about SNAP...

 

[Billybob]

Thank you!! that is my belief all through this thread and before this thread. The government steps in when churches and private charities don't take ownership. Maybe we shouldn't be building Million Dollar churches, and funnel those funds to the community that God placed them in. How about the same fiscal responsibility for churches and private charities that we are asking of the government.

Yeah it used to be about the services the church provided the community, now it's about who's steeple is bigger.

 

[kd5rjz]

I get paid for a service my friend, however you want to slice it. Unless you are talking about SNAP...

It's not your fault, and free money is hard to turn down... but it is a great example of .gov waste.

 

[EFsDad]

It's not your fault, and free money is hard to turn down... but it is a great example of .gov waste.

I do it for the children, mostly mine, but still children. If I don't they could starve.

 

[WTJ]

See, even the classical liberal and progressive hater WTJ can't commit. I think only Blinocac and maybe DustingAunder have committed in this thread. Broken system, functional system. It's still the same system.

Basically I have no problem with you guys who are strongly opposed to social justice as a component of government a la Blinocac or however he spells it. At least you can articulate it and remain consistent.
The part that's annoying is "moocher" talk for them GOP mainstream, who the above minority does not have a lot in common with. Romeny's 47% moocher comments being defended by anyone but someone fundamentally opposed to any and all government assistance is completely laughable. Always love how Republicans are all for "cutting the moochers"..."except when". Oh shut up. Except when they vote R, right? You're either a social-justice believing liberal or you ain't. Pick a team. Welfare is acceptable or it's not.

Basically the republican platform is welfare is wrong unless it's doled out of a republican-ran welfare office to fellow republicans by republican volunteers and you must present a screenshot of your republican-marked ballot on your RomneyPhone to get your check. The sign out front of the office will read "HAND UP LINE FOR TEMPORARILY INCONVENIENCED VENTURE CAPITALISTS"

You are right. I didn't qualify my statement. The federal government has NO business whatsoever in the entitlement business. This includes corporate/business entitlements. In my mind there is no difference between a group or an individual.

I ABSOLUTELY oppose social justice as a component of government, in any form. This includes any of the current favorite buzz terms spewed by the neoliberals in support of their quasi-religion.

I personally would be willing to help, and have, with NGO type functions that help the "unfortunate". I am not a R or a D. The fedgov should follow a strictly interpreted Constitutional mandate. If the states want to do this, then I can always vote with my feet before they fiscally destroy themselves. Everyone should mind their own affairs.

Hope that clears it up.