veterans headed to Standing Rock

[SMS]

Yeah. More cost to the taxpayer for a pipeline that will be built anyway...probably in the same spot after the study is completed and the tribe is paid off.

 

[JD8]

Just kicked the can down the road to look good. I'd wager things will change 1/20.

 

[MadDogs]

Just kicked the can down the road to look good. I'd wager things will change 1/20.

Yep. And in the meantime, more lawyers making more money ...

 

[YukonGlocker]

In the meantime, one group of vets has raised over a million dollars for the cause: https://www.gofundme.com/veterans-for-standing-rock-nodapl?ssid=828457182&pos=2.

 

[John6185]

Nice comment. I wish I could be so eloquent.

My great grandfather fell for that draft bull$hit. Said "if I go to war, I won't be able to make the payment on my farm." Government stooge assured him that it'd be there for him when he got back, it wasn't.
A different government stooge had foreclosed and sold it. Next owner pumped $14 million worth of oil out of it. The government can suck my d@ck.

 

[caojyn]

Nice comment. I wish I could be so eloquent.

You're adorable

 

[Shadowrider]

So let bring some actual facts in to illustrate how partisan things have gotten...

The activists tell an emotionally charged tale of greed, racism and misbehavior by corporate and government officials. But the real story of the Dakota Access Pipeline was revealed in court documents in September, and it is nothing like the activists’ tale. In fact, it is the complete opposite.

The record shows that Energy Transfer Partners, the company building the pipeline, spent years working diligently with federal, state and local officials to route the pipeline safely and with the fewest possible disruptions. The contrast between the protesters’ claims and the facts on record is stunning.

Protesters claim that the pipeline was “fast-tracked,” denying tribal leaders the opportunity to participate in the process. In fact, project leaders participated in 559 meetings with community leaders, local officials and organizations to listen to concerns and fine-tune the route. The company asked for, and received, a tougher federal permitting process at sites along the Missouri River. This more difficult procedure included a mandated review of each water crossing’s potential effect on historical artifacts and locations.

Protesters claim that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers failed to consult tribal leaders as required by federal law. The record shows that the corps held 389 meetings with 55 tribes. Corps officials met numerous times with leaders of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe, which initiated the lawsuit and the protests.

Protesters claim that the Standing Rock Sioux pursued meetings with an unresponsive Army Corps of Engineers. Court records show that the roles in that story were in fact reversed. The corps alerted the tribe to the pipeline permit application in the fall of 2014 and repeatedly requested comments from and meetings with tribal leaders only to be rebuffed over and over. Tribal leaders ignored requests for comment and canceled meetings multiple times.

In September 2014 alone, the corps made five unsuccessful attempts to meet with Standing Rock Sioux leaders. The next month, a meeting was arranged, but “when the Corps timely arrived for the meeting, Tribal Chairman David Archambault told them that the conclave had started earlier than planned and had already ended,” according to a federal judge. At a planned meeting the next month, the tribe took the pipeline off the agenda and refused to discuss it. This stonewalling by tribal leaders continued for a year and a half.

Typical of the misinformation spread during the protests is a comment made by Jesse Jackson, who recently joined the activists in North Dakota. He said the decision to reroute the pipeline so that it crossed close to the Standing Rock Sioux tribe’s water intake was “racism.”

He did not mention, possibly because he did not know, that the company is paying to relocate the tribe’s water intake to a new spot 70 miles from the location of the contested pipeline crossing.

The pipeline route was adjusted based on concerns expressed by locals — including other tribal leaders — who met with company and Army Corps of Engineers officials. The court record reveals that the Standing Rock Sioux refused to meet with corps officials to discuss the route until after site work had begun. That work is now 77 percent completed at a cost of $3 billion.

In response to a lawsuit filed by the Standing Rock Sioux, the court documented “dozens of attempts” by the corps to consult with the tribe. It documented the legal and proper approval process the corps used to permit all of the contested construction sites the tribe claimed were improperly permitted. It even documented evidence that the corps had exceeded the minimum legal requirements during its earnest and lengthy efforts to receive the input of tribal leaders on the pipeline.

Pipeline protesters may have a tight grip on media coverage of the pipeline, but they have a demonstrably loose grip on the facts. The truth — as documented not by the company but by the federal court system — is that pipeline approvals were not rushed, permits were not granted illegally, and tribal leaders were not excluded. These are proven facts upheld by two federal courts.

If only this side of the story were getting the same attention as the other side. Perhaps judges should start announcing their rulings by megaphone while standing beside a few media-attracting celebrities.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opin...k-sioux-other-side-110916-20161109-story.html

 

[deerwhacker444]

This problem will get resolved Jan. 21st when the adults take over..

 

[Larry Morgan]

I did a bit of digging on it myself. There are plenty of court documents and documentation by the Army Corp of Engineers that they did their due diligence to try to ensure everything was done in the best cooperation possible. But if you go by those, it would appear the Tribes-people were the ones who were uncooperative. Until being uncooperative meant the project went ahead anyway, then all Hell broke loose.

And it is also documented that the water inlet they are "concerned" about will be closed within the year to take water from a new location to feed a water treatment plant subsidized by Gov't (Tax Dollars) that has been in work since 2009.

And the filings were for the company to use the easement of a previous pipeline to build the new one.

And all the documents showing they have already re-routed it on their own volition many MANY times to try to be as considerate as possible.

So yes, there is MUCH more to it than "THE MAN" oppressing another group of innocent who were given no choice but to submit. Even though that's what the news would have you believe, because, well, reality doesn't sell as well.

 

[Shadowrider]

I did a bit of digging on it myself. There are plenty of court documents and documentation by the Army Corp of Engineers that they did their due diligence to try to ensure everything was done in the best cooperation possible. But if you go by those, it would appear the Tribes-people were the ones who were uncooperative. Until being uncooperative meant the project went ahead anyway, then all Hell broke loose.

And it is also documented that the water inlet they are "concerned" about will be closed within the year to take water from a new location to feed a water treatment plant subsidized by Gov't (Tax Dollars) that has been in work since 2009.

And the filings were for the company to use the easement of a previous pipeline to build the new one.

And all the documents showing they have already re-routed it on their own volition many MANY times to try to be as considerate as possible.

So yes, there is MUCH more to it than "THE MAN" oppressing another group of innocent who were given no choice but to submit. Even though that's what the news would have you believe, because, well, reality doesn't sell as well.

Yes and that new inlet that the gov't paid for was 70 miles away too. The newsies just forgot about that whole deal I guess.