David, really.... did I say any of crap you just posted?
at certain times I think the Panthers were thuggish, what I really believe is any free person has the right to keep and bear arms.
David, really.... did I say any of crap you just posted?
at certain times I think the Panthers were thuggish, what I really believe is any free person has the right to keep and bear arms.
After what they were put through, can you blame them if some of them had resentful feelings?
Over 300 of them were arrested in 1969 alone.
For the record, Reagan is not the first CA gov to sign anti-gun laws. They go back to 1924.
http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Time_Line_of_California_Firearms_Laws
How many of those were charged with being black in 1969?
Uh being black is not a crime. Lay off the spin and do a little research.
Just a few things, You know little things like murder, torture, etc,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party#Violence
Just a thought - the BP have their vision, as do other groups. Been going on for thousands of years. Seems to me the whites wanted to hang on to the "status quo", blacks did not. Both groups committed acts of violence to try to achieve their aims. not sure how peddling drugs and women figures into that, but perhaps it was to fund their resistance movement.
My question is: who won? Is it a better society now? Who's better off?
Are any of us freer than in 1960? 70?
My question is: who won? Is it a better society now? Who's better off?
Are any of us freer than in 1960? 70?
Nice try Bill O'reilly
Yes being black was a crime in the late 60s that is a known fact.
I can post random internet links too
http://www.criticalpast.com/products/location_history/Oakland_California/1960/1968
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/678.html
I need to do a little research?
Your some of your sources are as followed:
Up Against the Wall: Violence in the Making and Unmaking of the Black Panther Party, Curtis Austin, University of Arkansas Press, Fayettevill, 2006, p.x-xxiii
Edward Jay Epstein, The Black Panthers and the Police: A Pattern of Genocide?. New Yorker (February 13, 1971) [2]
David Horowitz's claim about van Patten's death is often discussed on blogs. It is mentioned in an American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research book review of Horowitz's Radical Son: A Generational Odyssey called All's Left in the World. Horowitz's credibility as a critic of the left and especially of the Black Panther Party is called into question in Elaine Brown's The Condemnation of Little B: New Age Racism in America. Beacon Press (February 15, 2003) pg. 250251.
Horowitz, David. "Who Killed Betty Van Patter?" December 13, 1999. Salon.com. [3]
No one is blaming them for their feelings. I am saying they should be held accountable for their actions and reactions to those feelings. Look at the gun debate. We get mad when laws are pushed based on emotions and feelings. None of us are upset or blaming the victims for how they feel. We are upset when they use those feelings to attack the rights of us as gun owners.
Defending their rights is different than assaulting and taking away the rights of others. MLK Jr stood up for rights. He didn't get violent and start assaulting others. Who was more effective?
I am also not naive enough to believe that violence or an uprising is not at times warranted. But it is a last resort in defense of rights/freedoms and not used to prey on and scare others into your world view.
Exactly!!!
Re: Black Panthers
I"m willing to bet not one person in this thread has ever been face to face with a Black Panther.
I have, both kinds. I spent some time in CA in the 70s and worked for a circus years ago.
