You missed your calling as a street preacher red.
Then again, maybe you didn't.
Then again, maybe you didn't.
Why have we bought Homeland Security 1.4 billion rounds of hollow-point this year?
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You found your calling as a DHS plant Hobbes. LMAO!!
I wish.
Not being Sarcastic, but do LE agencies use hollow point ammo for training?
I am a retired Army Infantry guy and the ammo I use for my rifle for example standard Army Ball.
I use Ball ammo or FMJ for training and Hollow's for my defense. (its cheaper, but never really saw it as much of a difference when thinking tactically)
I never really thought about what LE uses for training. I assumed it was ball or FMJ as well.
I am a retired Army Infantry guy and the ammo I use for my rifle for example standard Army Ball.
I use Ball ammo or FMJ for training and Hollow's for my defense. (its cheaper, but never really saw it as much of a difference when thinking tactically)
I never really thought about what LE uses for training. I assumed it was ball or FMJ as well.
Maybe they're afraid B.O. is gonna get relected.
Step away from the Kool-aide jug for a second and do some research on your own.
Once again, DHS has not bought 1.4 billion rounds. They have awarded an IDIQ contract to a particular vendor to purchase ammunition as needed.
Normally, every purchase must go through a ton of hurdles and red tape prior to purchase...the buyer must solicit X number of quotes and submit specs etc prior to awarding a contract. You can see how that would be inefficient for something, like ammo, that gets purchased multiple times throughout a year or years.
IDIQ (Indefinate Delivery, Indefinate Quantity) allows a buying agency to identify ONE vendor that has the best combination of quality and price and buy those recurring items from them without having to get bids from other vendors. No money changes hands and nothing is delivered until a specific order is placed against the contract. BUT, in classic .gov fashion, Indefinate doesn't really mean indefinate...the bean counters insist on putting some sort of cap on those contracts.
Here's how it works in my current job. My shop uses prefab buildings to house airfield landing equipment. We buy 100's of them every year in the course of our attempt to replace the over 5,000 old and rotting shelters installed at airports all over the country. Could you imagine how much time and man hours would be lost submitting specs and soliciting bids from three building manufacturers every time we need to buy a building (each building is different), over 100 times a year?
Instead, we started the IDIQ process. Three vendors were given the specs we require and each submitted their bid. After an official review, one of those venders was awarded an IDIQ to make our buildings. Now, whenever we need a building, we submit an order, it gets reviewed and approved, gets sent to the vendor, and they get paid when they deliver the building. Officially it is an IDIQ, but the bean counters put a 5 year, $10 million dollar cap on it. When that 5 years is up, or we've spent $10M...the process starts over again.
The ammo contract works the same way. Everytime they need to by ammo for a training cycle, they can submit to their IDIQ vendor, instead of having to do reams of paperwork and request bids. It's funny that many folks who would be the first to jump on government inefficiency and waste are screaming about such a contract being used....IDIQ, if executed properly and impartially saves time and money.
Here, this is what I found out about this.... http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2012/federal-law-enforcement-agencies-buy-ammunition.aspx
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