Zimmerman

[ignerntbend]

This is different...

Edit: The President is going to make a major speech on gun violence and will allude to this case peripherally, and very forcefully.

How, exactly, will this influence a sequestered jury?

 

[Shadowrider]

Here are a few clues about this trial.

1) Police on scene called it self defense

2) Seminole County State Attorney decided that it was self defense OR that there was not enough evidence to beat a self defense claim in court, regardless he decides not to arrest or charge Zimmerman

3) National insanity ensues

4) FBI gets involved

5) Police Chief and County State Attorney resign from the case

6) Governor figures that Big "O", Al and Jesse are never going to leave unless he appoints a water carrier for them so he does.

7) Dog and Pony show of an "investigation" naturally finds reason to arrest.

The rest is history and so is Zimmerman...

 

[0311]

How, exactly, will this influence a sequestered jury?

Sequester violations.

 

[ignerntbend]

It gets complicated?

 

[0311]

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I have from time to time, Mr. Ignerntbend, overlooked minor incidents of sequester violations - the ones that appeared completely innocuous.

 

[0311]

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Yes, yes! I assure you that the embarrassing performance of the State's star witness will not influence the verdict...


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[Freedom@AnyCost]

Sad treatment? Yes, but it's their job, just as the defense is to defend even a guilty person. It's not a question of right or wrong. It's a question of win and loss.
Self defense? I believe so until evidence proves otherwise.
We wouldn't be talking about it if he hadn't gone one-man-neighborhood-army and chose to intercept an individual. We have zero clue what Martin was doing. We only know the accusations made from the guy who made a conscience choice to pursue and attempt to detain a stranger deemed a threat to someone elses property.

Since I wasn't there and the media reporting was geared more towards stirring up racial discontent for ratings than reporting facts, all I can say for certain is I don't know what happened or who was ultimately at fault.

However, to address what has been reported and repeatedly used against Zimmerman in the court of public Opinion:

1. What a Minimum wage high school dropout 911 operator tells someone to do or not to do has no legal weight. If the operator had told him to pursue Martin and he had not, and Martin had robbed a house, Zimmerman would not be guilty of an crime (aiding and abetting?) any more than than he is guilty for pursuing when the operator told him not to. If the operator tells you not to shoot the man beating in your front door and you do, are you guilty of murder because you fail to follow the operators advice? That is all an operator can do, give advice and it is only as good as their legal knowledge - usually nada.

2. If someone is following me in a neighborhood, as has happened in the past, I don't run. In stop and ask them if I can help them. A short conversation later they are on their way comfortable I am not casing the place.

2. If I see someone strange in my neighborhood, I will likely follow / observe them. That is my duty as a self reliant AMERICAN. If more people did that instead of being dependent on "Security Welfare" (the older more socially ingrained, yet equally destructive cousin of financial welfare), this country would be a much safer place with significantly less crime.

If that person runs and/or takes evasive actions, It is safe to assume they are either a coward or up to no good. If they are a coward, sucks for them. If they are up to no good, sucks for their victim if they aren't pursued - either making them think twice before selecting "this" neighborhood for their crime if they get away or to maintain a visual on their location until the police arrive to detain them for questioning.

3. If you are on the ground with your attacker in the mounted position and your head being driven into a concrete sidewalk, your life is in imminent danger. If you are the one that escalated the encounter to violence with the first violent act, swallow your medicine and prepare to die. If on the other hand you were the one attacked (regardless of the circumstances that led to the initial encounter), your life now being in imminent danger - a "Double Tap" is in order because one more bashing of your head into the concrete could be your last (even if the 160 lb pounder, one head bash away from extinguishing your life, is only 12 years old).

The circumstances that led to the initial encounter (the primary focus of the "Kill Zimmerman" crowd) are of less importance than who committed the first act of violence - the latter being the only question worth addressing in this whole trial. If that question wasn't sufficiently answered by the initial investigation, then by all means, this trial is worth having (though an impartial jury would require the trial be held on another planet). However, if that question was legitimately answered to the satisfaction of the initial investigators, it appears to this commenter the trial is nothing more than a side show race baiting circus to entertain/pacify a "Lynch Mob".

 

[Glock]

No lynch mob here. I want justice to prevail for whoever the victim in this case is. It's just not clear who the victim is. Just sharing my own viewpoint, discussing openly with an open mind. I don't think Zimmerman actively hunted out this kid, nor do I think his intentions were to shoot/kill him either. But his irresponsible decisions lead him to that result. It's just not clear who the attacker and victims were in this case.

 

[dennishoddy]

b-but women they be all logical and stuff, they would never run on their emotions.

WTF? Women, emotions? I hope the defense scheduled this according to the moon phase. Seriously.

 

[twoguns?]

Since I wasn't there and the media reporting was geared more towards stirring up racial discontent for ratings than reporting facts, all I can say for certain is I don't know what happened or who was ultimately at fault.

However, to address what has been reported and repeatedly used against Zimmerman in the court of public Opinion:

1. What a Minimum wage high school dropout 911 operator tells someone to do or not to do has no legal weight. If the operator had told him to pursue Martin and he had not, and Martin had robbed a house, Zimmerman would not be guilty of an crime (aiding and abetting?) any more than than he is guilty for pursuing when the operator told him not to. If the operator tells you not to shoot the man beating in your front door and you do, are you guilty of murder because you fail to follow the operators advice? That is all an operator can do, give advice and it is only as good as their legal knowledge - usually nada.

2. If someone is following me in a neighborhood, as has happened in the past, I don't run. In stop and ask them if I can help them. A short conversation later they are on their way comfortable I am not casing the place.

2. If I see someone strange in my neighborhood, I will likely follow / observe them. That is my duty as a self reliant AMERICAN. If more people did that instead of being dependent on "Security Welfare" (the older more socially ingrained, yet equally destructive cousin of financial welfare), this country would be a much safer place with significantly less crime.

If that person runs and/or takes evasive actions, It is safe to assume they are either a coward or up to no good. If they are a coward, sucks for them. If they are up to no good, sucks for their victim if they aren't pursued - either making them think twice before selecting "this" neighborhood for their crime if they get away or to maintain a visual on their location until the police arrive to detain them for questioning.

3. If you are on the ground with your attacker in the mounted position and your head being driven into a concrete sidewalk, your life is in imminent danger. If you are the one that escalated the encounter to violence with the first violent act, swallow your medicine and prepare to die. If on the other hand you were the one attacked (regardless of the circumstances that led to the initial encounter), your life now being in imminent danger - a "Double Tap" is in order because one more bashing of your head into the concrete could be your last (even if the 160 lb pounder, one head bash away from extinguishing your life, is only 12 years old).

The circumstances that led to the initial encounter (the primary focus of the "Kill Zimmerman" crowd) are of less importance than who committed the first act of violence - the latter being the only question worth addressing in this whole trial. If that question wasn't sufficiently answered by the initial investigation, then by all means, this trial is worth having (though an impartial jury would require the trial be held on another planet). However, if that question was legitimately answered to the satisfaction of the initial investigators, it appears to this commenter the trial is nothing more than a side show race baiting circus to entertain/pacify a "Lynch Mob".

Now What does That statement have to do with anything.?
Not everyone gets to go to school for what ever reasons, and if You Think that a 911 operators job is not only important ,but very stressful as well.
Well ,your just an over educated ,ignorant , blowhard.....Take it out , its offensive and unnessary