Employers can forbid guns, a judge rules, issues an injunction against OK law.

[KOPBET]

Sounds like when he presented his attorneys number they realized they weren't going to be able to fire him for carrying a gun if he fought it since they did not at the time have a no firearms policy.

Three words.

Employment at will.

 

[Profreedomokie]

The Tulsa ruling was later overturned by a federal gudge in Denver stating that the Tulsa ruling violated the state constitution. I've been talking to a CLEET lawyer about this for a couple of years and he said we are good to have the weapons in our cars at work. I'm a SDA Instructor that works for ConocoPhillips at Ponca City. Profreedomokie

 

[henschman]

I agree with them striking down the Oklahoma law as unconstitutional, but not because of any preemption issues, like the Tulsa ct. ruled.

The OK law violates the employer's liberty and property rights, as protected by the 14th Amendment's Due Process clause. One of the core elements of your right to your property is the ability to exclude others from it, which includes the ability to set the terms by which other people enter onto the property. You have the absolute right to exclude people from entering onto your property who are in the possession of clown hats if you want to. Same with anything else, guns included. Laws that restrict your ability to exclude others from your property violate your property rights.

Part of your liberty includes the right to free association: free individuals can choose who they consensually associate with, and under what terms they do so. An employment relationship is one of many forms of a mutually consensual relationship. If either party to such a relationship decides to withdraw his consent, the relationship no longer exists. It is a violation of your liberty for the government to insist that you continue to associate with someone when you no longer wish the relationship to continue, no matter what your reasons are or how irrational they are. If the government forces you to continue associating with the other party, the relationship is no longer a consensual relationship, but a forced one, maintained by duress rather than consent.

The obvious analogy is to a romantic relationship. Laws that infringe on the employment relationship are the same as laws that would require you to continue dating someone even though you want to break up with her, but the law prohibits you from breaking up with her for certain reasons. Even if you want to break up with her because she folds up your socks in a really annoying way or something petty like that, your girlfriend still has no claim on a right to have you forced into continuing to associate with her.

For some reason, most people have no problem with the government infringing on our right to free association when they do it against employers, but would flip their lid if they tried to regulate other consensual relationships like dating. Just one of the many instances of people not having a consistent concept of liberty.

 

[ExSniper]

So how far should a property owners right extend? What else can they prevent me from having in my locked car in their parking lot? If they are some type of environmental freak can they have a rule against aerosol cans in my locked car? If they are an atheist can they forbid my carrying a Bible in my locked car? How about limiting what bumper stickers on my car might say since it is parked in their lot? Where is the limit?

 

[Roadking Larry]

I agree with them striking down the Oklahoma law as unconstitutional, <snip>.

First off the Oklahoma parking lot storage law was upheld.
Second if you can cite an example of my keeping any legal item locked in my car causes any harm to the owner of a business that I might park my car on then I might have something to discuss.

 

[onebad92vr4]

Can anyone cite the particular legislation to me, for the purposes of showing my workplace. Doing some paperwork today, they reminded us that we are not allowed a weapon in our cars, if on company property. When I mentioned this law, they said "Then you need to find this law and show it to us" (As if I don;t already do enough haha)

So, I have searched and searched but cannot seem to find the official annotation of this law. Any help?

 

[Biggsly]

Unless it has just changed again in the last few weeks, the last I heard the Supreme court ruled that your car was an extention of your home and that you could have it and that the company did not even have the right to ask you if you had it. I know at work we called a 2nd amendment lawyer and the OSBI to prove it to our boss. I even have the law book in my truck that I keep with my gun incase they wanted to see it. I got the book last summer.
Has this just changed again?

 

[onebad92vr4]

Unless it has just changed again in the last few weeks, the last I heard the Supreme court ruled that your car was an extention of your home and that you could have it and that the company did not even have the right to ask you if you had it. I know at work we called a 2nd amendment lawyer and the OSBI to prove it to our boss. I even have the law book in my truck that I keep with my gun incase they wanted to see it. I got the book last summer.
Has this just changed again?

It has not changed, I am just trying to find the actual law to prove it to my boss lol

 

[Biggsly]

It has not changed, I am just trying to find the actual law to prove it to my boss lol

March 2nd 2009 is when the Supreme court over turned the appeal. I don't know if that is the legal words for it. We had our boss call a 2nd amendment lawyer and then when he told us that the lawyer was wrong we called the OSBI. Now we all have guns in our cars and no one has been shot...lol

 

[Biggsly]

One more thing. There is a few rules. You can't carry in a company owned car or if you work for the government or if you are a felon. The lawyer said to make sure that your car is locked.