Poll about allowing suppressors for hunting purposes

[Glocktogo]

Wow, a hunting lesson and an english lesson all in one post. Thank you.

My simple hunting license is all that my state says I need to take game, as long as I follow the rules set out by the state. Having a tax stamp does not make you any better of a hunter or sportsman than me. It only means that you decided to allow the goverment to dig just a little deeper in your life so that you can have a suppressor.

Hearing loss is a red herring argument used to distract from the underlying basis of your reason for wanting to be able to use supressors. Those of you who have them want to use them, that is it. I do not use hearing protection while hunting. I also do not use hearing protection while mowing the grass or operating power tools. Do you have an extra muffler on your mower or a super quiet skill saw? The risk of hearing loss is part of the hobby. That risk can be lessened with available hearing protection.

I have nothing againt supressor ownership, you guys paid your money and thats cool. I do have an opinion regarding their use for hunting. You guys want to use them because you think they will save your hearing and because everyone around us gets to (strong argument by the way). I do not agree and I have not seen anything yet that would change my opinion (excuse me, my grammatically/typographically incorrect opinion).

Oh, as for your tax stamp and being more vetted than me, how long of a security clearing process do you think those secret service members who got busted in Columbia went thru to get their clearance? Probably just as involved as your tax stamp approval process but that really didnt do anything to keep the knucklehead from popping up in them. Forgive me if I do not put a lot of weight in your extra tax stamp holder status.

You've invalidated your argument to the level of unsupported opinion right there. I use 30db NRR ear muffs when using ALL my power tools, including mowers & weed eaters. Hearing loss should not be part of the hobby. If you don't care about yours, fine. I care about mine and that's all that matters. Excuse me if I find your opinion to have no merit whatsoever.

 

[dennishoddy]

Another aspect of using suppressors, is that housing additions and people that want to live in the country are encroaching on our hunting areas. Lake arkadia is a perfect example. As the housing developed, citizens complained of gunfire, so it was shut down. I've lost two hunting areas to people buying land, building a home, and complaining to the land owner about me shooting during hunting seasons. In Europe it's considered rude, and sometimes illegal to hunt without suppressed guns.

 

[Glocktogo]

Another aspect of using suppressors, is that housing additions and people that want to live in the country are encroaching on our hunting areas. Lake arkadia is a perfect example. As the housing developed, citizens complained of gunfire, so it was shut down. I've lost two hunting areas to people buying land, building a home, and complaining to the land owner about me shooting during hunting seasons. In Europe it's considered rude, and sometimes illegal to hunt without suppressed guns.

Stop using logic Dennis! Don't you realize that rlt's unsupported opinions are all that matter?

 

[rlt7272]

I'm anti gun? So the game wardens who dont want them used during hunting are anti gun too, correct? If Tony Clark's statement as reported here by newsok.com is true then the game warden associaion of oklahoma is also antigun.

I have an opinion (unpopular as it may be) and those of you that say change is needed have only provided one reason for change that cannot be solved with the tools currently available.

Saying I am anti gun because I dont like it is like saying I am anti American because I disagree with the Presdient.

I had no doubt that my adverse opition on this issue would cause a stir, however, I will match each of your unsupported opinions on this issue with one of my own.

Hearing loss prevention ... electronic ear protection amazon.com can fix you up
Beacuse it should be our right ... well you got me there, but if it was truly your right to own one why do you have to pay extra for that right (tax stamp) how about taking this energy to the federal goverment and getting that silly tax taken off
Because the neigbors complained ... archery season is much longer and all you need is some whiskers and some mole skin to quiet that equipment.

You think you need and want to use supressors while hunting and I think you dont.

 

[rlt7272]

You've invalidated your argument to the level of unsupported opinion right there. I use 30db NRR ear muffs when using ALL my power tools, including mowers & weed eaters. Hearing loss should not be part of the hobby. If you don't care about yours, fine. I care about mine and that's all that matters. Excuse me if I find your opinion to have no merit whatsoever.

Fact is hearing loss is a potential risk of the shooting sports. However, that risk can be reduced with the use of hearing protection. If you use hearing protection while using your power equipment then why is it so hard to use it while hunting? You can get a quieter muffler for your motorized power equipment but how many choose to do so for the sake of hearing protection?

 

[vdub]

Fact is hearing loss is a potential risk of the shooting sports. However, that risk can be reduced with the use of hearing protection. If you use hearing protection while using your power equipment then why is it so hard to use it while hunting? You can get a quieter muffler for your motorized power equipment but how many choose to do so for the sake of hearing protection?

Because you are not hunting while using power equipment. While hunting, you are trying to hear the animal you are hunting approaching or responding to a call so you can get a fix on their location. Pretty interesting that you are laying down a pretty good case for why suppressors should be allowed and how they protect your hearing. I don't think you are paying much attention to your arguments as they are starting to disprove your point of view and prove the case of suppressors being able to prevent or reduce the risk of hearing damage.

How are you saying that getting a quiet muffler for motorized power equipment can save your hearing but no one does it, then turn around and say suppressors will not reduce the risk of hearing damage and the argument saying they do is invalid??? How logical is that?!??!!? Answer: Not very!!!

There is a potential risk of hearing damage with shooting sports. There is also potential risk of hearing damage with hunting as most hunters never wear hearing protection for the reasons listed above. The risks experienced during both activities can be greatly reduced by using a suppressor alone. While hunting, a suppressor will not reduce the effectiveness of locating game based on your sense of hearing.

 

[dennishoddy]

I own electronic muffs. I have also used them while hunting, or at least tried to. The wind blowing puts them into the dampening mode, which makes them impractical for hunting. If in my tower blind during deer season, I can see for quite a ways. It gives me time to put on hearing protection. Following my Britt through the CRP chasing pheasant, and quail require open ears to hear the singles come up way before the eyes can find the target.
In Tx. They have found that a 16" extension to a shotgun barrel greatly reduces the muzzle blast/noise. It doesn't require any tax stamp, and is widely used in the rice fields around Houston/Katy near residential areas for dove hunting.
But that same extension is illegal to possess in okla. because of our silly laws about suppressors in general.
Keep in mind, no tax stamp, no money to the Feds and its illegal in ok.
What I am talking about is having respect for people that don't care to hear gunfire close to their home. Personally it's music to my ears, but with the laws against suppressors I'm not allowed to give them the peace and quiet they have a right to.

 

[Glocktogo]

Fact is hearing loss is a potential risk of the shooting sports. However, that risk can be reduced with the use of hearing protection. If you use hearing protection while using your power equipment then why is it so hard to use it while hunting? You can get a quieter muffler for your motorized power equipment but how many choose to do so for the sake of hearing protection?

Because I'm not trying to determine noise location of game and potential safety issues when using power tools. The safety issue is in my hands and I don't need to hear the grass! Just admit that your objection is entirely based on emotion rather than logic and we'll let you off the hook. Seriously, I don't care that you have a negative opinion. I don't care that you don't care about your own hearing or that of your children in the field. I do care that you're trying to wrap it in reason that doesn't exist. Who are you to object to how I choose to protect MY hearing?

 

[Jared]

Game Wardens dont function with one brain between all of them. Therefore they dont all share the same opinions.

 

[vdub]

SB1743 passed the House vote 77-5 so it looks like there might be a little bit of clarification of the bill language then on to the Governor for her signature!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guess logical thought and argument prevailed to get this bill passed in both House and Senate.