Panic Attacks...help

[sh00ter]

Oh and go to your local hospital and ask them to draw your serotonin level. Tell them you don't need a Dr.'s order for it, you know what you're looking for.

Oh wait, yeah, you CAN get it some places - here's one:

http://www.walkinlab.com/catalogsearch/result/?order=relevance&dir=desc&q=serotonin&btnSearchSubmit=

Go ahead and spend that $125 (it's VALUE is $253! You Save $128!). Come back and let us know what that tells you about your depression and/or anxiety.



<edit> I'm just saying, if you're going to give medical advice, be prepared to be called on it if it's wrong. You can put in a disclaimer all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you're working on and passing along incorrect information.

Have you taken anti-depressants? Have you had panic attacks/anxiety that disrupted you life? Do you have experience as a patient yourself?...one thing that I've been told by several doctors is that patients often know more about their specific condition(s) than their doctors if they have had the condition long enough; especially if we are talking about a general practitioner who must be a jack of all trades. I also mentioned that you have to pay out of pocket so the price is no surprise to anyone and you basically validated what I already said but tried to find a way to still mock it. I also realize that everyone is different and that the lab ranges are meant to try and fit 90% of the populace but someone with low serotonin might feel fine and someone with high serotonin might not; or may not have symptoms of serotonin syndrome. I know this doctor, I get your point. But wouldn't you agree that patients SHOULD take responsibility for their own health and ask questions and be engaged in their health and not just do whatever they are told without questions or second opinions, etc? Wouldn't you agree that if you were treating someone that it would be somewhat useful to know their serotonin level rather than not if they seemed depressed...I mean if they carried in a lab would you even look at it?

My opinions are not an incitement on you personally or your profession...but there is another side of the story and smart people can learn/read the same as you despite not having the formal education and day-to-day experience. Your opinion is ALWAYS valuable...if I saw you I'd want you to tell me where I was going wrong; in most cases you'd be right with a patient who googled something right before they came in. But for those people that have experienced certain conditions long-term, you can also learn from them too...I once told a PA I knew (not treating me just knew her) to look into using Clomid for a patient of hers who was 19 and had low-T...she later came back to me and said "hey thanks for telling me about that, it really helped that guy"...I read about it; I have books about it written by doctors man...but I don't know it all and I respect your education & opinion as I previously made known.

I just hope the OP actually has a doctor that is as interested as you in his situation so he can get some relief and be monitored properly too.

 

[ronny]

Yea..well its finals week, and I shouldn't be on OSA anyway..I thought I could pound something out to help the OP. Since you couldn't make it all the way though, take comfort in knowing I am freaking fantastic and kicking ass.

Yeah, but your shoes are untied.

 

[Yourshoesareuntied]

Yeah, but your shoes are untied.

I would switch to Crocks..but I would feel like I have given up on life... but seriously,

As much as this post has gone sideways, one thing I have learned in my two whole semesters of introductory psychology classes is there is a serious aversion to seeking help for mental health issues. Sometimes its cultural.. sometimes its because you're the man of your family...sometimes it because we want the world to think we have it all together.. the fact is mental health issues doesn't mean you are weak.. it doesn't mean your a less of a man..in reality mental health issues is no different then then randomness of those who get the flu.. it's not your fault.. and you did nothing wrong, other then not seeking help. Let your Doctor know you are having trouble.. ask for a referral to a professional be it a psychiatrist, psychologist, or counselor. You are stronger for seeking help then you are, for self destructing.

 

[kennedy]

Stop the pissing contest please and let's keep this post about helping one another. I look forward to coming on her and reading what you guys have to say and try to help others as well. This post has been a savior for me.

 

[CHenry]

Well another great day here. Other than Christmas coming on, first one alone in a very long time. No wife and kiddo to wake up on that special morning to make a huge mess of boxes and wrapping paper wads.
Funny how those things that used to seem so routine, when gone, become precious.
Hug your wife and kids soon and often...
Enough of that now.
Can I fast forward to about March?

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[Kyle78]

If your still looking for a job, numerous manufacturing companies are hiring in southern Oklahoma. They are building a new steel plant in Durant, and the steel place in madill needs people constantly. Also CM and Big Tex trailers are always advertising for metal workings in madill/Kingston.

 

[YukonGlocker]

There is no "easy fix"...you need to give up eating HFCS, MSG, and artificial additives as much as you can...do not try and change everything at once; you are already overwhelmed. You need to take it a day at a time and make one adjustment at a time and don't stress out about it. Research "Adrenal Fatigue" and buy this man's book: http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/what-is-adrenal-fatigue

My guess is your circadian rhythm is inverted and your cortisol/epinephrine is out of whack...this can really cause panic attacks. There are a whole host of nutritional supplements that can help support you, but right now you need to stay hydrated with water, get plenty of sleep (turn down the lights when the sun sets so you can make melatonin), go to bed about same time each night, and KNOW you will get through this. You may not be the same but you will improve and you will adjust/adapt to whatever your new long-term norm is...lotta folks have had experiences of their own and you can't take 10yrs of information and give it to someone in one conversation.

This http://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6061 supplement helped me the most and was a safer alternative to xanax...I still recommend getting s script for .5mg of xanax for emergencies (do not take every day for prolonged periods or it will adict you and also lose effectiveness) because it will kill a panic attack pretty quick...but taking 2 of those Valerin (not just regular valerian) work well to squash nervousness and anxiety...takes a little bit longer to kick in but it can get you through the day if taken regularly as it is needed (not more than bottle says though). It is good stuff for any of you guys if you suffer from stress or prolonged adrenaline response say after bad traffic.

Let me know if I can help further; I have not read all the other posts so forgive me if someone has already covered anything I said. Finally, I am not a medical professional...I am just a concerned peer on this board who has accumulated knowledge on this subject from various sources for various reasons.

EDIT: antidepressants is the "go-to" for doctors for these types of deals but unless you are truly clinically depressed, then they will not help and might make things worse in my opinion. Many people on anti-depressants are NOT depressed and have a physical ailment that is causing their symptoms. Even still , you should get a serotonin blood test to see if yours is actually low...there are things you can do to raise it and stay off the anti-depressants (which do not raise serotonin anyway as far as I'm aware). Anti-depressants to someone with anxiety are like giving a crying toddler with messy pants and hungry an ipad to distract them...it doesn't fix the underlying issue and eventually could do damage; but it shuts them up for now...that is why doctors do this as standard procedure. When you go in, you expect them to "do something".

Holy ****. This is one of the most dangerous posts I've seen you make. If somebody was to take you seriously, this could actually cause substantial harm, or worse. As a professional in this field, I'd recommend you all NOT pay any attention to the quoted post.

 

[YukonGlocker]

I'm sorry man, but you obviously have NO idea how these medications work, yet you are willing to disparage those who have the training and education to know how they do and to evaluate when and where to use them? You even admit you don't understand them. BTW you need one of those same nitwits you don't think has a clue what they're doing to authorize that "serotonin blood test" which will tell you less than zero about the problem.

Good luck with that.

What I pointed out was that your assertions are actually incorrect, and there are people who DO understand the underlying chemistry of both the medications AND the body systems - something you admit you don't. But you have no problem claiming they are bad - while admitting you don't understand them. Yes... a number of mass shooters are on antidepressants - ever stop and think of WHY they are on them? Maybe because they had underlying mental health issues that were being treated? Yet so many people automatically want to claim the antidepressant CAUSED them to be mass shooters. Gimme a break, man... close to 80 million people in the United States are one mental health medication or another - and the clinical trials and decades of experience and real-world testimonials of individuals (MILLIONS of individuals) whom were helped by them speak for themselves. NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF MEDICINE has ever claimed these medications are flawless. NO ONE. But, just like every other medication out there, the good outweighs the bad in the grand scheme of treatment, but there are risks and benefits - which is why it is the responsibility of licensed medical providers to evaluate and determine the need for them.

Several of your statements were totally and blatantly incorrect. Sorry, I just can't stand by and watch that drivel posted as fact. It's the simple truth.

And I can't even begin to tell you how many people I have refused to start these types of meds.

I understand lots of people have a bias AGAINST anything to do with accepted modern medicine and/or medications. That's fine. But like I said, when I see untruth, misinformation and blatantly unsafe advice, I'm going to point it out. Period. I'm not saying you're giving unsafe advice (incorrect, perhaps), that's just a general statement. CHenry's statement stands on its own to reflect upon him.

Preach on. Lots of good info here.

 

[CHenry]

Holy ****. This is one of the most dangerous posts I've seen you make. If somebody was to take you seriously, this could actually cause substantial harm, or worse. As a professional in this field, I'd recommend you all NOT pay any attention to the quoted post.

Ok Doc, follow up. I'm curious

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[YukonGlocker]

Ok Doc, follow up. I'm curious

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Sure. OP, send me a PM if you'd like a referral to a professional.