Oregon Militia take over federal building

[mightymouse]

The video seems the now dead guy tried to go around blockade and a cop run out in front of the truck in the snow. Seemed more like he was trying to avoid them

When he had his hands up, he was fine. When he went for that .45 Colt on his belt, he got shot. He had previously publicly declared that he would die before allowing the Feds to retake the wildlife refuge. He got his wish. If you are an apocalyptic moron, you must be careful what you wish for. Good advice, but LaVoy Finicum does not need it anymore.

 

[SMS]

He is rumored to have left the gun belt and revolver at the refuge...but he was also known to carry a pistol in a shoulder rig.

 

[crrcboatz]

Even with my limited service, I only watched a few minutes of that video. Anybody that says its unedited is full of bullshat. Good grief, how stupid do they think people are. I'm not arguing with the outcome as I didn't see it, but the claim of unedited is my comment.

Edited or unedited the idiot was on a death wish from the get go. He stated on natl tv he would die before allowing law enforcement to point a firearm at him. Hey he messed with the bull and got the bull's horn up his you know what. I have NO sympathy for him or those like him. Excuse me, flick a tear!!!!

 

[crrcboatz]

In theory, revolution against an oppressive government sounds heroic to some, but the British didn't have Blackhawks and laser guided missiles. In due time, the powers that be will destroy themselves, much more efficiently than any "armed revolution".

Wow I love and support this one. WTG well said.

 

[Shadowrider]

He is rumored to have left the gun belt and revolver at the refuge...but he was also known to carry a pistol in a shoulder rig.

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IDK, maybe it's just me, but it sure looked like he was drawing from inside that coat.

 

[dennishoddy]

IDK, maybe it's just me, but it sure looked like he was drawing from inside that coat.

I just saw the news clip showing the final moments. I agree, it looked like he was drawing. Law enforcement reports SAID he had a 9mm semiauto in his jacket.

 

[Tulsa Shooter]

Watch the video again, it appears to me that he was shot multiple times with his hands up before his arm ever "moved" towards his jacket.

 

[SMS]

The real truth is that the video is not conclusive to the detail required to justify/criticize a split second decision. I figured it wouldn't be.

Anyone making absolute proclamations of "murder" or "justified" based off of it is misguided.

I know what it looks like to me based off personal experiences, but that doesn't make it fact.

 

[SMS]

This ain't over...after previously releasing a stand-by order, the Pacific Patriots Network (western group affiliated with IIIers, Oath Keepers etc...) has now put out a call to action. They want people to rally to Burns with the intent of forcing the arrest of the shooters, the escorting of the FBI out of the state, and the resignation of the local judge and sheriff.

We'll see how many show up.

 

[Dale00]

After debacles like Waco and Ruby Ridge, it seems the federal government has finally learned how to handle a standoff. If the rebels extend an invitation to a headline-grabbing siege, politely decline. If they frame the dispute as a fight between liberty and tyranny, brush your shoulders off.
The government's 31-page affidavit in support of the complaint against the eight occupiers is chock-full of their own words. It's enough to make a defense attorney weep. -

Just as the arrest was cautious, so is the charge. In the federal criminal complaint - which the FBI didn't obtain until after the arrests - the U.S. attorney for the District of Oregon charges the eight defendants with a single count of conspiracy to impede an officer of the United States. That federal criminal statute doesn't see much use, and it's not one of the Justice Department's big guns: Its maximum penalty is only six years. To prosecutors, the virtue of such conspiracy charges are their flexibility: The government need prove only that two or more of the defendants agreed to prevent some federal employee from discharging his or her duty by force, intimidation or threat. Prosecutors don't have to prove they were successful.

It used to be hard to prove what defendants agreed to do: You had to infer it from their actions, or find a snitch to repeat their conversations, or wiretap them. But this is 2016, and we arrange our affairs in the open. The government's 31-page affidavit in support of the complaint against the eight occupiers is chock-full of their own words: statements in press interviews, statements in videos posted to YouTube, statements in widely distributed emails. It's enough to make a defense attorney weep.

The government's theory - thoughtfully supported by the defendants' public relations strategy - is that occupiers agreed to an armed takeover of federal buildings, thus preventing U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service employees from carrying out their duties. There are a few references to unspecified threats against federal employees and some rumblings about how the occupiers would defend themselves against a raid, but the core of the complaint is modest and straightforward: These people got together with guns and took over federal buildings and now the employees can't do their jobs.

The defendants have a right to indictment by grand jury within a few weeks, and that indictment may include more charges and more creative theories. For now, though, it seems the government is taking a low-key approach.

Of course, even if the criminal complaint doesn't support a narrative of martyrdom, the occupiers may use the federal court proceedings as a stage. Expect to see the rhetoric of tax protesters and “sovereign citizens” seeking to elevate mundane prosecutions into constitutional conventions. If the judges and prosecutors are wise, they won't get drawn into that dialogue. A matter-of-fact and methodical application of constitutional rights and procedural safeguards is the best way to counter claims of tyranny.

Twenty years ago I prosecuted a tax protester who claimed - as one does - that the gold fringe on the courtroom flag made it an admiralty court. “I'll pretend you're a boat,” the judge said dryly and proceeded with the mundane business of the case. Professionalism and protection of rights, not trading drama for drama, is the way to handle a self-styled revolutionary. It won't entertain the media, but it will refute the assertion that the system can't get it right.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0129-white-oregon-militia-charges-20160129-story.html