What is the state law on producing I.D. on demand from law enforcement

[user 51785]

says all i need to know and knew all along, you don't know anything, you just THINK you do. i ain't gonna say what that means because that should be obvious to everyone with a open mind.
in spite of the fact you never walked in their shoes, never got training (say you been on ride alongs but if that's true you musta been somewhere where they don't see no action or you rode with a lazy cop) you rely on what you see on the internet which is why i 'bashed' you. you think somebody in the job you are in would know better than to just believe whatever he sees on tv and the internet, you are proof that ain't true and that says a lot about you. instead of looking at everything you take a few cases and blow them way out of proportion. truth is your opinions have no facts to support them which makes them worthless. i might be just a blue collar guy who works his tail off and comes home sweaty and dirty and not have some IT job ( and I know what that is and a fair idea what you people do so you can stick your condescending comment where the sun don't shine) but at least i got common sense enough to know there's a big picture and what the internet and tv shows you ain't it. you sir are drinking the kool aid by the pitcher, too bad you ain't smart enough to see it or a big enough man to admit it.

i pity you. your lol emoji response to me just reenforces my comment and proves that any more talk with you is a total waste of time, time better spent with my family on this holiday. have a nice life in your closed minded shallow world where you think you are wiser than all and we should all bow to your beliefs.

 

[Russ IT Guy]

I disagree with much of what you’ve said although I believe I do understand what your point is here, I just think it’s an unreal expectation to have and here’s why. My Uncle Joe was pulled over and removed from his truck, guns drawn (many years ago). He followed their direction “to the T” and once they got him secured and everyone was safe they began questioning him and doing a little investigating. Come to find out he and his truck fit the description of a person that had just robbed a bank not 10 minutes earlier at gun-point. Once they figured out he wasn’t the suspect they apologized and left him on his way. I suppose he could have started running his mouth, acting all indignant and being an insufferable prick but then again the outcome would have been entirely different. He could have possibly been shot, tased or at a minimum brought to the ground with some significant authority. While unfortunate for my uncle he didn’t feel his rights violated in any way and completely understood their actions. So just how would you propose they have handled this situation better? Should they have simply walked up to a potentially armed suspect and politely introduced themselves asking Uncle Joe if he was enjoying his evening?? Of course not, that would be ridiculous. Police officers by an overwhelming majority do a great job, one most of us wouldn’t begin to try and deserve more than a little of our grace. If you want to be angry at anyone I’d suggest you direct your criticism and aggression toward the criminals that make their job necessary. You made the statement “Everyone says they're just doing their job” which is an exaggeration to be sure. Plenty of people here on OSA are NOT fans of law enforcement and certainly would disagree with this statement. I myself am a huge advocate of all our police agencies and have never excused out of control policing and think those bastards should be hung from the closest tree (metaphorically). I also would say that PD needs to do a much better job at screening out the bad apples and when caught they should be punished five fold what a citizen would receive. So here’s a question. What/how do you propose law enforcement agencies improve their policing strategies while maintaining their and the public’s safety? Instead of bitching about edited snippets seen on TV and YouTube offer up some real solutions, get involved and do something that will inspire genuine change. I really would enjoy reading your thoughts. Too much time is spent focusing on the negatives in life instead of acknowledging them and focusing on the solution.

I don't give much thought to YouTube and media portrayal of Leo but rather the raw numbers and facts, if they truly wanted to change here's a few things they could do:

Quit hiring scared kids that make knee jerk decisions.

Drop their immunity bs that they love to hide behind.

Fire all upper staff that reinforce the behavior and mentality they have.

Stop using they need to go home to their families too as an excuse for mowing down innocent people, much like the military you know what you signed up for.

And of course for the next rebuttal that will surely come up is, we'll they're not military so that's not the same. Which is correct they're not military and need to stop treating citizens like domestic terrorists.

They need to be held accountable to a board of the citizens they're supposed to protect and not some made up counsel of their buddies and supporters.

 

[Russ IT Guy]

i pity you. your lol emoji response to me just reenforces my comment and proves that any more talk with you is a total waste of time, time better spent with my family on this holiday. have a nice life in your closed minded shallow world where you think you are wiser than all and we should all bow to your beliefs.

Have a great holiday with the family, my emoji was simply because the argument isn't worth my time when everything rolls back to me not having Leo training lmao

 

[hipshot]

I don't give much thought to YouTube and media portrayal of Leo but rather the raw numbers and facts, if they truly wanted to change here's a few things they could do:

Quit hiring scared kids that make knee jerk decisions.

Drop their immunity bs that they love to hide behind.

Fire all upper staff that reinforce the behavior and mentality they have.

Stop using they need to go home to their families too as an excuse for mowing down innocent people, much like the military you know what you signed up for.

And of course for the next rebuttal that will surely come up is, we'll they're not military so that's not the same. Which is correct they're not military and need to stop treating citizens like domestic terrorists.

They need to be held accountable to a board of the citizens they're supposed to protect and not some made up counsel of their buddies and supporters.

I know I’ll catch some grief for this but you might add that females should not be police officers, they truly are the weaker sex and need protection rather than try to be the protector, Also for a week of every month their attitudes could be affected by nature !

 

[Russ IT Guy]

I know I’ll catch some grief for this but you might add that females should not be police officers, they truly are the weaker sex and need protection rather than try to be the protector, Also for a week of every month their attitudes could be affected by nature !

They have their place in both Leo and military but not on the front lines, too much of a liability but they're needed in my opinion as I don't think a male Leo should be search or watching over incarcerated females.

 

[Russ IT Guy]

They have their place in both Leo and military but not on the front lines, too much of a liability but they're needed in my opinion as I don't think a male Leo should be search or watching over incarcerated females.

The wife chimed in that she agrees that women should not be allowed to make critical decisions for a week out of the month, she says no interaction with people is best haha

 

[Chuckie]

After reading all the posted comments in this thread I've come to the belief that we on OSA are seeing the 'liberalization' of Oklahoma happening before our very eyes.

 

[Russ IT Guy]

After reading all the posted comments in this thread I've come to the belief that we on OSA are seeing the 'liberalization' of Oklahoma happening before our very eyes.

Only two flags at my house, the American flag and our God, Guns, and Trump flag haha

 

[Gadsden]

I don't give much thought to YouTube and media portrayal of Leo but rather the raw numbers and facts, if they truly wanted to change here's a few things they could do:

Quit hiring scared kids that make knee jerk decisions.

Drop their immunity bs that they love to hide behind.

Fire all upper staff that reinforce the behavior and mentality they have.

Stop using they need to go home to their families too as an excuse for mowing down innocent people, much like the military you know what you signed up for.

And of course for the next rebuttal that will surely come up is, we'll they're not military so that's not the same. Which is correct they're not military and need to stop treating citizens like domestic terrorists.

They need to be held accountable to a board of the citizens they're supposed to protect and not some made up counsel of their buddies and supporters.

Have a great holiday with the family, my emoji was simply because the argument isn't worth my time when everything rolls back to me not having Leo training lmao

They have their place in both Leo and military but not on the front lines, too much of a liability but they're needed in my opinion as I don't think a male Leo should be search or watching over incarcerated females.

The above bolded comment is proof positive you are absolutely clueless in the subjects in which you want us to believe you are so well versed in. if it wasn't so ignorant it would be laughable, but the reality is, it's just sad.

If you really, and I'm positive that you do, think women have no place on the front lines and are "a liability" I dare you to say that to the face of any of the remarkably brave women who have risked it all, just like their male counterparts, to serve our nation and defend the lives of those they serve with. Fair warning, I doubt you'll walk away from that encounter, most likely you'll be wheeled off on a gurney and rightfully so.

Additionally, if you, even for a second, think that male officers are permitted to search female prisoners and/or inmates it is even more obvious you know nothing about the topic you want us to believe you are a subject matter expert on. As for male corrections staff not watching over female inmates, in a perfect world that would be the case, but there just aren't enough (women correction officers) to go around so that's not going to happen any time soon, if at all. That said there are very strict guidelines in place and cameras that monitor practically every area, not to say certain 'incidents' don't occur, only, like all the other atrocities you want to blow out of proportion, they are few and far between.

But I digress, so I'll get back to what was my original comment before I read your last two, less than enlightening remarks. As CountryLivin' pointed out, you truly believe you have all the answers when it is clear you're grasping at straws and struggling to redeem yourself while responding to someone you consider inferior to you all while talking out of your posterior. That doesn't reflect highly on you or, more accurately, who you see yourself as. However, if you are so firm in your beliefs, as it appears that you are, and you've convinced yourself that you have the cure to all our woes you should consider running for office. Judging by your attitude and stance I'm sure the democratic party would welcome you with open arms, just don't count on my vote.

Edit: you claim to only fly the Stars and Stripes as well as a Trump flag and a God, Guns flag. That may indeed be true, but it proves nothing since I've seen many a RINO do the same thing. Just sayin'

 

[Russ IT Guy]

The above bolded comment is proof positive you are absolutely clueless in the subjects in which you want us to believe you are so well versed in. if it wasn't so ignorant it would be laughable, but the reality is, it's just sad.

If you really, and I'm positive that you do, think women have no place on the front lines and are "a liability" I dare you to say that to the face of any of the remarkably brave women who have risked it all, just like their male counterparts, to serve our nation and defend the lives of those they serve with. Fair warning, I doubt you'll walk away from that encounter, most likely you'll be wheeled off on a gurney and rightfully so.

Additionally, if you, even for a second, think that male officers are permitted to search female prisoners and/or inmates it is even more abundantly obvious you know nothing about the topic you want us to believe you are a subject manner expert on. As for male corrections staff not watching over female inmates, in a perfect world that would be the case, but there just aren't enough (women correction officers) to go around so that's not going to happen any time soon, if at all. That said there are very strict guidelines in place and cameras that monitor practically every area, not to say certain 'incidents' don't occur, only, like all the other atrocities you want to blow out of proportion, they are few and far between.

But I digress, so I'll get back to what was my original comment before I read your last two, less than enlightening remarks. As CountryLivin' pointed out, you truly believe you have all the answers when it is clear you're grasping at straws and struggling to redeem yourself while responding to someone you consider inferior to you all while talking out of your posterior. That doesn't reflect highly on yourself or, more accurately, who you see yourself as. However, if you are so firm in your beliefs, as it appears that you are, and you've convinced yourself that you have the cure to all our woes you should consider running for office. Judging by your attitude and stance I'm sure the democratic party would welcome you with open arms, just don't count on my vote.

Because somebody states their opinions you feel that makes them an expert and someone you need to bash? Take that Libtard bs somewhere lol

I'm definitely not a Democrat, and the fact the you want to call someone that because they want Leo to act right clearly shows your level of intelligence, I don't believe in all of the alignments of either party but am firmly a Republican and Patriotic American!