What is the state law on producing I.D. on demand from law enforcement

[Chuckie]

The fact that they swarm a female like that for being suspected of shoplifting is ridiculous, did she threaten to blow the place up too? Lol

So at what level do you start to consider shoplifting (or any theft) to become a crime? Someone breaks into my home and steals a gun and that's ok because they only stole one instead of all of them? West Coast is just now starting to understand their past mistake in 'ignoring' petty crime but it's now totally out of control with organized shoplifting syndicates.

 

[Glocktogo]

Yep, 'hundreds' of cop crimes out of Millions of cop-civilian interactions by 900K active-duty sworn cops, yearly. Now lets talk about the literally 1000's+ lives saved by those same cops each year.

One does not justify the other. The line is still there, regardless of who wishes to ignore it.

 

[Russ IT Guy]

So at what level do you start to consider shoplifting (or any theft) to become a crime? Someone breaks into my home and steals a gun and that's ok because they only stole one instead of all of them? West Coast is just now starting to understand their past mistake in 'ignoring' petty crime but it's now totally out of control with organized shoplifting syndicates.

I'm saying they should practice what they preach, were supposed to respond with the same level of threat that is presented. Maybe it's just me but I don't feel the need to surround a pregnant female guns drawn or even the suggestion of that at all just to investigate a crime.

That's intentionally escalating a situation knowing what the probable outcome would be. They get to shoot and are immediately praised by their coworkers.

As far as comparing someone that just left a store and accused of shoplifting to someone breaking into a home is not a fair comparison. That's comparing an accusation to factual actions.

 

[Chuckie]

One does not justify the other. The line is still there, regardless of who wishes to ignore it.

Wasn't trying to "justify" anything but was saying that taken in context, overall, LEO's are nowhere near as bad as some would like to portray them.

 

[Chuckie]

I'm saying they should practice what they preach, were supposed to respond with the same level of threat that is presented. Maybe it's just me but I don't feel the need to surround a pregnant female guns drawn or even the suggestion of that at all just to investigate a crime.

That's intentionally escalating a situation knowing what the probable outcome would be. They get to shoot and are immediately praised by their coworkers.

As far as comparing someone that just left a store and accused of shoplifting to someone breaking into a home is not a fair comparison. That's comparing an accusation to factual actions.

So the shoplifting was only an 'accusation' and not a 'factual action' committed by this person (i.e. taking property that did not belong to her from private property)?

I would like to think that responding officers could have handled this a little better than they did, HOWEVER, we do not know what happened prior to when the video starts. She may have well physically attacked and hurt someone during her shoplifting spree. She may have brandished a gun. Or the responding officer may have had their coffee-break interrupted. We just don't know why the police responded in the way they did and I'm not going to second-guess them, because I wasn't there and don't know the whole story.

 

[Russ IT Guy]

Wasn't trying to "justify" anything but was saying that taken in context, overall, LEO's are nowhere near as bad as some would like to portray them.

I can agree with you on the fact majority of them are or were good people, problem is at what point can you consider someone a good person when they back up and re-enforce this kind of behavior?

From an outside view if that my Wife or Child that they murdered because they're to big of a p***y to have a conversation without a gun involved? I could totally see why ppl end up taking things in their own hands and cops are fearful of them, they should not have immunity from being held accountable for their actions.

Everyone says they're just doing their job, if we used the same logic anywhere else it would be someone losing their job and going to prison for killing someone. Why should someone that's supposed to be a peace officer be exempt when their position implies they're there to protect and serve.

 

[Russ IT Guy]

So the shoplifting was only an 'accusation' and not a 'factual action' committed by this person (i.e. taking property that did not belong to her from private property)?

I would like to think that responding officers could have handled this a little better than they did, HOWEVER, we do not know what happened prior to when the video starts. She may have well physically attacked and hurt someone during her shoplifting spree. She may have brandished a gun. Or the responding officer may have had their coffee-break interrupted. We just don't know why the police responded in the way they did and I'm not going to second-guess them, because I wasn't there and don't know the whole story.

The fact that according to their own statements they got a report of someone shoplifting which is an accusation, seeing someone in your house in itself is a different level than someone you think may have stole something because they came by lol

 

[user 51785]

I'm saying they should practice what they preach, were supposed to respond with the same level of threat that is presented. Maybe it's just me but I don't feel the need to surround a pregnant female guns drawn or even the suggestion of that at all just to investigate a crime.

That's intentionally escalating a situation knowing what the probable outcome would be. They get to shoot and are immediately praised by their coworkers.

As far as comparing someone that just left a store and accused of shoplifting to someone breaking into a home is not a fair comparison. That's comparing an accusation to factual actions.

yeah but the most criticized job by people who have never done the job never had the training probably never even been on a ride along is cops. get a clue man, that's you. like lots of others you think you have all the answers when the truth is you only know what you see on the internet which means you don't have no idea what you're talking about, you just know what somebody wants to show you. you claim to be some it guy so you'd think you would know this, guess not. the fact that you weren't at any of the things you talk about don't matter you just ramble on anyway acting like you know what should have gone down. walk in their shoes and then you can come back and tell us how it should be done and what they done wrong. till then it ain't nothing but your opinion

 

[turkeyrun]

Typical media headline and reporting.

Suspected shoplifter should not include or involve black, black, single, mother.
It should include RESISTING ARREST, fleeing, attempted run over of officer with her vehicle.

How much video is available? 5 minutes? Why edit down to 1 minute? 15 seconds? Not the entire video.

Did she escalate? Did cops escalate? IF video clarifies, media chose to edit. Why? Coerce the reaction THEY wanted.

 

[Russ IT Guy]

yeah but the most criticized job by people who have never done the job never had the training probably never even been on a ride along is cops. get a clue man, that's you. like lots of others you think you have all the answers when the truth is you only know what you see on the internet which means you don't have no idea what you're talking about, you just know what somebody wants to show you. you claim to be some it guy so you'd think you would know this, guess not. the fact that you weren't at any of the things you talk about don't matter you just ramble on anyway acting like you know what should have gone down. walk in their shoes and then you can come back and tell us how it should be done and what they done wrong. till then it ain't nothing but your opinion

You're correct that it's my opinion and my opinion is based on their actions overall, and I say overall because the good ones stand back and comply with what the rest do, which in my opinion makes them no different than the ones of their "community" doing wrong. If Leo wants people to stop viewing them the way they do then they shouldn't reinforce their belief.

My handle on here for the uneducated, IT stands for Information Technology so im not sure what you're bashing was implying. I have been on ride alongs and have several friends and family in the Leo "community" as well as interacting with them to some degree, no I have not been in their shoes for the simple fact that I wouldn't take a career that involves me dictating and putting people in cages or Graves when they don't give me my way.

I have a common respect for Leo until they show me they don't deserve to be on that level just like any other person, when someone Leo or not makes it a point to intimate you at first interaction they're trying to assert dominance over someone not assess what's going on.

Why should it be ok for someone that's supposed to serve and protect to draw down on you and make you in fear of your life? That's traumatic to the 99% of ppl that aren't committing crimes but because of someone deciding to call 911 it's automatic that they're guilty.

That's not innocent until proven guilty, that's you're guilty until you can drum up enough evidence and make enough noise that we can't throw you in a cage.