3 states have defunded planned parenthood.

[Billybob]

I'll try to explain:

1. Teen sex is not a sin - early civilization had girls wedding in their early teens. When did it become a sin?

2. Premarital sex is a sin - It is taught in the New Testament.

3. Birth control is not a sin - I cannot find anywhere in the Old or New Testament where it says "Thou Shall Not Use Birth Control". This is a church teaching and the church has been known to be wrong. Look at the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages.

I didn't say teen sex was a sin, and until the 1900's marriage in American states ranged from 10 to 12 but progressives/reformers got it raised because it was said to cause prostitution.
If premarital sex is a sin and many if not most abortions are a result of it then shouldn't that be addressed instead of excusing the sex part? You said solutions don't mean giving in but haven't most religious people given in on sins like adultery and fornication that feed our systems.
Again I didn't say birth control was a sin, as for the Catholic Church in the middle ages why stop there?

 

[Billybob]

Fortunately, we don't live in a theocracy like Iranians do.
Those dumbasses just enforce religious teachings as law.

America used to do the same, and now some want to return to it but only after cherry picking which religious teachings of course.

 

[Billybob]

We going to include Israel?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/katenocera/...are-largely-quiet-as-israel-adopts#.ssnlyD63g

Below was written before the new law, it's from the Journal of Medical Ethics....

"Abortion in Israel, on the other hand, is broadly
defined as termination of pregnancy without regard
to gestational age or fetal viability and, at later
stages, inevitably includes fetal termination. Abortion at all stages of pregnancy is freely available for
any of the following conditions:
maternal age (<17 or >40 years of age), premarital pregnancy (orpregnancy resulting from rape or incest), danger to
the mother’s physical or mental health and/or fetal birth defects"...

"Israel on the other hand has one of the highest rates of late-term abortions in the world".

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1733259/

Nobody? We should prosecute abortion here on moral/religious grounds here but remain silent and keep supporting this coming from the alleged base of those religious grounds being made?

 

[OKCHunter]

I didn't say teen sex was a sin, and until the 1900's marriage in American states ranged from 10 to 12 but progressives/reformers got it raised because it was said to cause prostitution.
If premarital sex is a sin and many if not most abortions are a result of it then shouldn't that be addressed instead of excusing the sex part? You said solutions don't mean giving in but haven't most religious people given in on sins like adultery that feed our systems.
Again I didn't say birth control was a sin, as for the Catholic Church in the middle ages why stop there?

The two having the premarital sex are choosing to under their own free will. If they choose to sin, that is there choice - they effect only themselves. The abortion affects a third party, an innocent life with no choice.

Catholic Church had / and still has some problems. The problems are all caused by the downfall of individuals - not the teachings of the church. If the world followed the teachings of the church and no individual was deviant, we would be very close to a perfect society.

 

[Hobbes]

Nobody? We should prosecute abortion here on moral/religious grounds here but remain silent and keep supporting this coming from the alleged base of those religious grounds being made?

I guess if we are going to defund Planned Parenthood we should also defund Israel.

"Money is fungible". Somebody said.

 

[Billybob]

Wrong. Self defense and the 2nd Amendment are your rights. But, it is up to you to provide the means to exercise those rights.

How are self defense and procreation not on the same level of human rights? Are they not both about life?
Is a woman's right to procreate greater than a man's right to live? And does a woman's right to procreate when she can't afford it overcome others rights to not be forced to support it?

 

[Billybob]

The two having the premarital sex are choosing to under their own free will. If they choose to sin, that is there choice - they effect only themselves. The abortion affects a third party, an innocent life with no choice. But their choice led to the result so therefor is the base of the responsibility.

Catholic Church had / and still has some problems. The problems are all caused by the downfall of individuals - not the teachings of the church. If the world followed the teachings of the church and no individual was deviant, we would be very close to a perfect society.

But you said earlier that you didn't follow the church's teaching on birth control, have you downfallen? Church teaching condoned slavery and military/financial conquest, religious domination/persecution, and antisemitism among other things like white supremacy. Christianity as a whole followed, sounds like both were at fault. But at least we know better now?

 

[J.T.]

So can we murder folks that aren't convenient yet or not? I may or may not have a list.

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

No - just trying to stop the killing of innocent human life. There are better solutions that would require a little work on a number of fronts. It will be hard to compete with the ease and convenience of dropping by Planned Parenthood to have the baby vacuumed out of the womb; and home in time for dinner.

But why should you get to decide if a woman carries a baby to term?

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

So can we murder folks that aren't convenient yet or not? I may or may not have a list.

Yes. You are free to kill whoever you wish.