I think you knew that I know there is a difference.
Based on many of the posts in this thread alone it is everyone else I am not sure of.
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Based on many of the posts in this thread alone it is everyone else I am not sure of.
Yep. I'm just trying to keep it in a language they understand. Sometimes, people only understand if you do it wrong.
I think it has something to do with the education system.
You probably know more about the details of last year than I know, since you were involved and I was not. I will be more involved this year and and it is my understanding that the NRA will be involved also.
I don't know about any letters sent, but I believe we will see a bill that will cover open carry and I believe it will pass and will become law. I think we all need to work together to that end, the NRA and your organization, the OK2A as well as individuals and not pull in different directions.
"Right" and "Privilege" are used interchangeably quite often on this forum. Because of that, I was trying to avoid the obligatory reply whining "but were talking about Second Amendment RIGHTS! not PRIVILEGES!"
I think you knew that I know there is a difference.
Over the 200+ years since the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights were adopted, the courts have taken away many of our rights granted under those documents. Of course that is not and should not be acceptable to those of us who believe in a strict interpretation of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
So we can whine about the loss of those rights and claim that we should have them, but that won't get them back for us, will it? Or we can work together to change those rights back from "privileges" to rights. Just saying they are rights does not make them available to us.
The opposition, the liberals if you will, feel just as strong that those are not rights and will fight to keep the status quo, at the very least, or will fight to take away more of our rights.
So if we want to have the Second Amendment to be a right again, we need to all work together to make it so. It will not happen otherwise.
JMHO
I just want to point out that a strict interpretation of the Constitution reads the Bill of Rights as protecting Natural Rights of Man, not granting.
It is a very important difference.
Something that is granted can always be taken away, and the interpretation that the Bill of Rights grants Privileges of United States Citizens is why we are where we are today.
I don't know what in the world their problem would have been. They never said we have a problem with this provision or that provision. They said the bill wasn't their priority. I wonder if we aren't seeing a similar situation as what happened with Senator Coburn's parks amendment. The NRA opposed it until they saw it was going to pass. Then they jumped on board.
There is more than one version of Open Carry being submitted this year. As far as I know, they all either mirror Rep. Duncan's bill from last year or the Arizona style bill. Both were also submitted last year and the NRA wouldn't support either one.
Don't get me wrong. I believe the NRA has done some good things, but when it comes to legislation and endorsements their recent record stinks to high heavens. They wouldn't support any of the Constitutional bills from last session (only supported hunting bills). The Disclose Act. They endorsed Rep. Smithson for re-election this year (thankfully he lost). Smithson was the one who, while debating against open carry on the floor, said anyone who wants to open carry is a coward. The NRA endorsed him! I'm sorry, but I don't have much faith in the NRA. I hope they prove me wrong. I'd love to work with them rather than against them. But, I suppose we will see in a few months.
This ^^^^
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read the BOR and know that it was put into place as a safeguard. The first 5 amendments to the BOR tells the government what it cannot do. 6 and 7 tell the government what it must do to protect the right to trial by jury in both criminal and civil cases. 8 is another don't do while 9 and 10 essentially say if the constitution doesn't say the government can do it then it can't but the states can and just because the constitution doesn't mention a right the people still got 'em.
It really is an easy to understand and simple document.
Unfortunately lawyers and law makers over the past 220 years have gone and mucked it up by trying to read more into it than is there.
The fact that so few of us actually know what the BOR really does is very sad. Goes back to what many here say that we get the government we deserve.
They win, we lose.
ASIDE: Start a poll. Ask if the 2nd amendment grants us the right to keep and bear arms. Y or N...
Even here there will be many who respond Y.
I do give the benefit that most people probably attended public school (just like me). The textbooks teach that Rights are granted by the Constitution.
It's another reason why our kids will be homeschooled.
There was a poll not long ago that suggested the the BOR granted us rights under the 2A. Most gun owners chose Y.
God above gives rights. The BOR simply reaffirms this simple fact. The populace as a whole is a mass of lemmings headed for a cliff. So long as they feel "safe and protected" by government in it's many forms... they're happy.
God above gives rights. The BOR simply reaffirms this simple fact. The populace as a whole is a mass of lemmings headed for a cliff. So long as they feel "safe and protected" by government in it's many forms... they're happy.
+1. I don't care what any damned hand wringers opinion is. The fix is open carry legislation and a little while after that constitutional carry (i.e. no permit required). "Disruptive"? Only for sissies.
Like others here I'd choose not to open carry, but enjoy the fact that if my weapon flashed while concealed the officer would tell the reporting person that they need to get over it because I'm legally carrying.
As for businesses becoming no carry zones, I welcome the POS's to let me know their ignorant opinion so I don't make the mistake of handing them any of my money.
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