Advice for my first gun show

[sethk]

So, I've never done the whole gun show thing. I've also never owned a handgun, but am currently saving up for one (looking for a sidearm to match the 357 mag barrel I'm ordering for my Handi-Rifle). I'm thinking about trying my luck at tracking down a deal at a gun show in the OKC area, probably in November or December. I was hoping ya'll could give me some input about which show I should go to (or pros/cons for each). I'm also open to any general gun show tips you might have. Here's a little info on my interests:

I've got a limited firearms budget, so I'm looking for used guns. I don't care much about cosmetics, it can be as ugly as all get out so long as it works. I'm a bit of minimalist so I like things with few parts and that are easy to maintain and work on.

Specific weapons types interested in are .357 revolvers (including single action), large bore derringers (i.e. Bond Arms, American Derringer), single shot pistols (Contenter, etc.), and single shot rifles (primarily NEF/H&R).

Specifically not interested in 1911s and other semi-autos or ARs and similar right now. Don't need a new knife or other outdoor/survivor stuff either.

The shows on my radar for the end of this year are the Oklahoma City Gun Show, the Oklahoma City Gun and Knife Show, Metcalf Show, Superdave's Show, and the Shawnee Gun Show.

I've wondered if, given what I'm looking for, perhaps I might do better at a peripheral show like Shawnee or Norman, since they would presumably be smaller but less crowded and I might have a better chance of finding decent used stuff in the utilitarian/single-shot department.

So, any thoughts or suggestions?

 

[Perplexed]

A deal at a gun show??

Seriously though, if you can wait a couple of weeks, the Wanenmacher show in Tulsa would probably afford you the widest selection of firearms you could possibly imagine. It's one of the biggest, if not the biggest, of the gun shows in the entire country, so you'd see all sorts of firearms for sale. It runs Saturday and Sunday, Nov. 9-10; come on Saturday to find the best deals, or come on Sunday to find sellers in a more negotiable mood on what's left.

And of course, do your homework and google for info on the firearms that catch your eye.

 

[sethk]

A deal at a gun show??

Seriously though, if you can wait a couple of weeks, the Wanenmacher show in Tulsa would probably afford you the widest selection of firearms you could possibly imagine. It's one of the biggest, if not the biggest, of the gun shows in the entire country, so you'd see all sorts of firearms for sale. It runs Saturday and Sunday, Nov. 9-10; come on Saturday to find the best deals, or come on Sunday to find sellers in a more negotiable mood on what's left.

And of course, do your homework and google for info on the firearms that catch your eye.

Thanks for the advice. I'm analytical to a fault, so my default tactic will indeed be to show up on the last day in time to make a full pass of the tables, get to work pricing things out on my smart phone (though, I've already done enough online research that I have a pretty good idea what I'm willing to pay for most of what I'm looking for), and then swoop in and start trying to deal in the last hour or so of the show. I'v thought about the Wanenmacher show, but I'm torn about it. It seems like it is the show to end all show, but gas makes it basically a $30 event just to get in the door. I am considering it though, since I could consider part of the cost justified as an entrance fee for what amounts to a firearms museum.

 

[SMS]

Advice for first gun show...skip the gun show.

There are so many firearms available through online gun sellers, real gun shops, and the OSA classifieds that I personally see no point in spending gas and admission money just to 'shop' for a firearm.

But if you want to go just to see what it's all about, then just shop smart. Educate yourself ahead of time and "buy the gun, not the story".

 

[Perplexed]

Thanks for the advice. I'm analytical to a fault, so my default tactic will indeed be to show up on the last day in time to make a full pass of the tables, get to work pricing things out on my smart phone (though, I've already done enough online research that I have a pretty good idea what I'm willing to pay for most of what I'm looking for), and then swoop in and start trying to deal in the last hour or so of the show. I'v thought about the Wanenmacher show, but I'm torn about it. It seems like it is the show to end all show, but gas makes it basically a $30 event just to get in the door. I am considering it though, since I could consider part of the cost justified as an entrance fee for what amounts to a firearms museum.

I'd consider the "firearms museum" part of the show to make it well worth the trip, especially if you've never been to the show before. A couple shows ago, they had a genuine 1800s Gatling machine gun mounted on a light artillery chassis, which was quite interesting.

Just don't wait too long on Sunday, as a lot of sellers, especially the smaller ones, will pack up and leave starting around noon to 2 pm.

Then, of course for those of the wider persuasion, there's the Tactical Girls booth

 

[O4L]

If you go to buy at a gun show, the best deals are usually found with other attendees looking to sell their guns.

Just keep an eye out for those walking around with guns, and ask if they are selling.

Do some research, and know what the local market value is on gun you are looking for.

 

[Nimaro]

Don't expect to find a deal at a gunshow. It's a rare thing

 

[Toney]

If I'm.really in the market for a specific gun, I use that gunshow money towards the purchase.

Gunshows are neat to go to.

 

[MP43]

All you need to know, right here:

The following terms apply to items offered for sale:

MINT CONDITION: In original condition as manufactured, unfired, and preferably in the original box with all manufacturer's tags, labels, and paperwork.

NEAR-MINT CONDITION: Has had no more than 5,000 rounds fired through it and it still retains at least 60% of the original finish. Surface pitting is no more than 1/8" deep, and both grip panels are in place. If it is a .22, some of the rifling is still visible.

VERY GOOD: Non-functional when you buy it, but you can probably get it to work if you replace 100% of the parts.

FAIR: Rusted into a solid mass with a shape vaguely reminiscent of a firearm.

TIGHT: In revolvers, the cylinder swings out, but you need both hands to close it again. For autoloaders, you must bang the front of the slide on a table to push it back.

REALLY TIGHT: In revolvers you cannot open the cylinder without a lever. Once it's open the extractor rod gets stuck halfway through it's travel. On autoloaders, you need a hammer to close the slide.

A LITTLE LOOSE: In revolvers, the cylinder falls out and the chambers are 1/4" out of line when locked up. There is no more than 1/2" of end play. For autoloaders, the barrel falls out when the slide is retracted. If the barrel stays in place, the slide falls off.

GOOD BORE: You can tell it was once rifled and even approximately how many grooves there were.

FAIR BORE: Would be similar to a GOOD BORE, if you could see light through it.

NEEDS A LITTLE WORK: May function sometimes if you have a gunsmith replace minor parts, such as the bolt, cylinder, or barrel.

ARSENAL RECONDITIONED: I cleaned it up with a wire wheel and some stuff I bought at K-Mart.

ANTIQUE: I found it in a barn, and I think it dates from before 1960. Note that ANTIQUE guns are usually found in FAIR condition.

RARE VARIANT: No more than 500,000 of this model were ever made, not counting the ones produced before serial numbers were required. RARE VARIANTS command a premium price of 150% of BOOK VALUE.

BOOK VALUE: An irrational number which dealers consider insultingly low and buyers ridiculously high. Since no one pays any attention to it, it doesn't matter.

IT BELONGED TO MY GRANDFATHER: I bought it at a flea market two weeks ago.

CIVIL WAR RELIC: The vendor's great-grandfather knew a man whose friend had been in the Civil War.

SHOOTS REAL GOOD: For rifles, this means at 100 yards it will put every shot into a 14" circle if there isn't any wind and you're using a machine rest. For handguns, three out of six rounds will impact a silhouette target at seven yards. In shotguns, it means that the full choke tube throws 60% patterns with holes no bigger than 8" in them.

ON CONSIGNMENT: The vendor at the show does not own the gun. It belongs to a friend, customer, or business associate, and he has been instructed to sell it, for which he will be paid a commission. He has no authority to discuss price. The price marked is 150% above BOOK VALUE.
All used guns, without exception, are ON CONSIGNMENT, and the dealer is required by his Code of Ethics to tell you this as soon as you ask the price.
A BATF study has proven that since 1934 there has never been a single authenticated case of a used gun being offered for sale at a gun show that was actually owned by the dealer showing it.

I'LL LET IT GO FOR WHAT I HAVE IN IT: I'll settle for what I paid for it plus 250% profit.

MAKE ME AN OFFER: How dumb are you?

TELL ME HOW MUCH IT'S WORTH TO YOU: I'll bet you're even dumber than you look.


PEOPLE YOU WILL MEET AT THE GUN SHOW:

RAMBO: He's looking for an Ingram MAC-10, and he wants to have it custom chambered in .44 Magnum as a back-up gun. For primary carry he wants a Desert Eagle, provided he can get it custom chambered in .50 BMG. He derides the .50 Action Express as a wimp round designed for ladies' pocket pistols. He has already bought three years worth of freeze dried MRE's from MARK, as well as seven knives. He is dressed in camouflage BDU's and a black T-shirt with the 101st Airborne Division insignia, though he has never been in the Army. He works as a bag boy at Kroger's.

BUBBA: He needs some money, and he has reluctantly decided to sell his Daddy's .30-30, a Marlin 336 made in 1961. He indignantly refuses all cash offers below his asking price of $475. Unable to sell it, eventually trades it plus another $175 for a new-in-box H&R Topper in .219 Zipper. He feels pretty good about the deal.

GORDON: He is walking the aisles with a Remington Model 700 ADL in .30-06 on his shoulder. He's put an Uncle Mike's cordura sling and a Tasco 3X9 variable scope on it. A small stick protrudes from the barrel, bearing the words, "LIKE NEW ONLY THREE BOXES OF SHELLS FIRED $800." This is his third trip to a show with this particular rifle, which he has never actually used, since he lives in a shotgun-only area for deer.

DAWN: She is here with her boyfriend, DARRYL. At the last show, DARRYL bought her a Taurus Model 66 in .357 Magnum. She fired it twice and is afraid of it, but she keeps it in a box on the top shelf of ther clothes closet in case someone breaks in.
She is dressed in a pair of blue jeans that came out of a spray can, a "Soldier of Fortune" T-shirt two sizes too small, and 4" high heels. DARRYL is ignoring her, but nobody else is.

DARRYL: He's been engaged to DAWN for three years. He likes shotguns for defense, and he's frustrated that he can't get a Street Sweeper, so he's bought a Mossberg 500 with the 18 1/2" barrel, a perforated handguard, and a pistol grip. He plans to use it for squirrel hunting when he isn't sleeping with it. He plans to marry DAWN as soon as he gets a job which pays him enough to take over payments on her mobil home.

ARNOLD: He is a car salesman in Charlottesville, Virginia. He has a passion for Civil War guns, especially cap-and-ball revolvers. He has a reproduction Remington 1858, and is looking for a real one he can afford. He owns two other guns: a S&W Model 60 and a Sauer and Sohn drilling his father brought home from the war in 1945. He has no idea what caliber the rifle barrel on his drilling is, and he last fired the Model 60 five years ago.

DICK: He is a gun dealer who makes his overhead selling Jennings J-25's, Lorcin .380's, and H&R top-break revolvers. He buys the J-25's in lots of 1000 direct from the factory at $28.75 each, and sells them for $68.00 to gun show customers. He buys the H&R's for $10. at estate auctions and asks $85 for them, letting you talk him down to $78 when he is feeling generous.
His records are meticulously kept, and he insists on proper ID and a signature on the 4473. He doesn't care whether the ID and the signature are yours, however. Other than his stock, he owns no guns and has no interest in them.

ARLENE: She is DICK's wife. She hates guns and gun shows more than anything in the world. Her husband insists that she accompany him to keep an eye on the table when he's dickering or has to go to the men's room. She refuses to come unless she can bring her SONY portable TV, even though she gets lousy reception in the Civic Center and there isn't any cable.
When DICK is away from the table, she has no authority to negotiate, and demands full asking price for everything. She doesn't know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun, and she doesn't care, either.

MARK: He doesn't have an FFL. He buys a table at the show to sell nylon holsters, magazines, T-shirts, bumper stickers, fake Nazi regalia, surplus web gear, MRE's and accessories. He makes more money than anyone else in the hall.

ALAN: He's not a dealer, but he had a bunch of odds and ends to dispose of, so he bought a table. On it he displays used loading dies in 7.65 Belgian and .25-20, both in boxes from the original Herter's company. He also has a half-box of .38-55 cartridges, a Western-style gun belt he hasn't been able to wear since 1978, a used cleaning kit, and a nickel-plated Iver Johnson Premier revolver in .32 S&W.
He's asking $125 for the gun and $40 for each of the die sets. He paid $35 for the table and figures he needs to get at least that much to cover his expenses and the value of his time.

GERALD: He's a physician specializing in diseases of the rich. He collects Brownings, and specializes in High-Power pistols, Superposed shotguns, and Model 1900's. He has 98% of the known variations of each of these, and now plans to branch out into the 1906 and 1910 pocket pistols. He owns no handguns made after the Germans left Liege in 1944. He regards Japanese-made "Brownings" as a personal insult and is a little contemptuous of Inglis-made High Powers. He does not hunt or shoot. He buys all his gun accessories from Orvis and Dunn's.

KEVIN: He is 13, and this is his first gun show. His eyes are bugged out with amazement, and he wonders what his J.C. Higgins single shot 20 gauge is worth. His father gives him an advance on his allowance so he can buy a used Remington Nylon 66.
He's hooked for life and will end up on the NRA's Board of Directors."

 

[Nighthawk]

I have an FFL . I don't just buy a table at the show, I buy an island, I do not sell nylon holsters, I do sell magazines, I do not sell T-shirts, bumper stickers, fake Nazi regalia, surplus web gear, MRE's. I do sell accessories. I do not know if I make more money than anyone else in the hall. LOL

Mark's Firearms