Airport Screening Abuse Growing

[papal]

I say screw em. Opt out, make a fuss, fart while the check is going on, scream when they "touch" you and just all around do everything you can to make the experience as unpleasant for them as they are for you.

Enough people do that....this will end, I guarantee it. It's absolutely ridiculous that we spent billions on this crap, when a good $50 door lock on the cockpit would solve the entire problem.

Government is the epitome of stupid.

 

[dak]

I don't remember anyone suggesting this.

couple pages back:

This is a reason I'm considering getting a pilot's license if I ever make the money for it. It sure is a good incentive.

Airport screening is just part of a bigger system. Terrorists keep trying to come up with new ways to get bombs on board... shoe bombs and bombs smuggled in their groin area are some of the more recent ones. I think air marshals and armed pilots in the FFDO program are more of a deterrent against hijackings than pre-flight screening but how do you deal with the bomb issue?

What do you suggest bob? I'm really open to seeing new ideas because obviously what we have isn't working. Obviously some people will do something on their own but it's not like 10 guys are going to jump up against 5 hijackers and lay a beat down, you'd be lucky if you got 3-4 guys to do anything against them.

 

[grizzly97]

Absolute security is impossible and people need to know that. There are risks and they are not lessened by the TSA. I don't mind my baggage being x-rayed, but I disagree with it being opened unless it is in my presence with my approval. To do otherwise is an invasion of privacy.
We have to assume everyone is innocent until we can PROVE otherwise. It's the basis of our system and our way of life. To do otherwise in the name of security smacks of hypocrisy to our very foundation. In this system the bad guys do win every once in a while. In any other system they win all the time.

I fully agree with you! I can understand both sides of the arguement. It basically boils down to when are the people going to stand up and say "we can take care of ourselves" and get the ever expanding government out of our way. IMO

 

[dak]

That, too.

My post stems from previous observations about positions on the PATRIOT Act.

screw the Patriot act, we should start petitioning to get rid of it once and for all

 

[dak]

No it's not,you pay big money for a service.Is it a privilege to pay to have your carpet cleaned or take a taxi ride??

I pay car insurance and a car payment every month, do I have a constitutional right to drive it on public roads?

 

[vvvvvvv]

I pay car insurance and a car payment every month, do I have a constitutional right to drive it on public roads?

Apples to oranges.

Your car payment isn't for a service of being able to use the car, and neither is the car insurance.

 

[jbarnett]

I just want to know where I can buy one of these "naked scanners".

In an entirely unrelated note, are there any contractors on the board that could install an.. uh.. let's say "electronic device" in my doorway?

If you are getting them to come through your door you are halfway there.

 

[Ghost]

I wanna get paid to play Real or Fake and Show Me the Cameltoe. I'm filling out A TSA app right now.

 

[donner]

Where did I say it "does nothing"?
Tell me your not gullible enough to believe it provides absolute safety.

I was asking you a question. You asked what it accomplishes and i asked if you believe that it does nothing. If it does something then it therefore has to accomplish something.

I never said it gives us absolute safety. What i thought i said, or maybe failed to say clearly, was that even if it doesn't give absolute safety, it still does accomplish something. I don't think absolute safety is possible, but that isn't to say that screenings don't provide some level of safety. After all, it clearly only took a few box cutters to create havoc. Keeping knives and box cutters off a plane has done something towards the safety of the passengers, hasn't it?

 

[1shot(bob)]

couple pages back:

Sorry, I missed that.

Airport screening is just part of a bigger system. Terrorists keep trying to come up with new ways to get bombs on board... shoe bombs and bombs smuggled in their groin area are some of the more recent ones. I think air marshals and armed pilots in the FFDO program are more of a deterrent against hijackings than pre-flight screening but how do you deal with the bomb issue?

X-ray the bags if you want, but don't open them unless the owner is present and grants approval. That also allows a quick arrest if you're right.

What do you suggest bob? I'm really open to seeing new ideas because obviously what we have isn't working. Obviously some people will do something on their own but it's not like 10 guys are going to jump up against 5 hijackers and lay a beat down, you'd be lucky if you got 3-4 guys to do anything against them.

Pilots, FAs, passengers should all be allowed to carry if they want. Hijackings will stop (haven't they already anyway?) No one would try to hijack a plane if they knew there were people on board willing to fight back. Too often the people of this country are willing to let the government do their fighting for them. We've become pansies because that's what the gov wants. They even tell us to 'cooperate and give them what they want'. That didn't work too well on 9/11 did it?