ATF came to see me yesterday

[Honeybee]

Did he say anything about ITAR? If you're an 07FFL and you manufacture any defense articles (everything except sporting shotguns) you have to register with ITAR and pay their yearly fee.

Not yet but she did mention there would be more info comming to me because she did not have all the info packs with her, she did not contemplate this change when she left OKC to come see me.

I believe that ITAR only applies to those who are going to export and import items doesn't it?

 

[CAR-AR-M16]

I understand that, but I've heard some ATF inspectors will mention it. I fear it is only a matter of time before the ATF hands over the 07FFL list to the state department for a reconciliation.

I agree. If the state department ever gets with the ATF to start checking for compliance, there are going to be a ton of 07's owing a crap load of money and you know the government always gets their money.

 

[CAR-AR-M16]

Not yet but she did mention there would be more info comming to me because she did not have all the info packs with her, she did not contemplate this change when she left OKC to come see me.

I believe that ITAR only applies to those who are going to export and import items doesn't it?

It does not matter if you actually import/export. If you are making "implements of war" than you must register whether you import/export them or not.

 

[Honeybee]

Thats not the way I read it, International Traffic does not include what we do here on domestic soil.

 

[Honeybee]

The International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR)
Department of State responsibility for the control of the permanent and temporary export and temporary import of defense articles and services is governed primarily by 22 U.S.C. 2778 of the Arms Export Control Act ("AECA"; see the AECA Web page) and Executive Order 11958, as amended. The AECA, among these other requirements and authorities, provides for the promulgation of implementing regulations, the International Traffic in Arms Regulations ("ITAR," 22 CFR 120-130). The ITAR is available from the Government Printing Office (GPO) either as an annual hardcopy publication as part of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) or as an e-document. The annual GPO publication includes all amendments to the ITAR made since the last annual printing.

 

[CAR-AR-M16]

Here is the code:

Sec. 122.1 Registration requirements.

(a) General. Any person who engages in the United States in the business of either manufacturing or exporting defense articles or furnishing defense services is required to register with the Office of Munitions Control. Manufacturers who do not engage in exporting must nevertheless register.

(b) Exemptions. Registration is not required for: ...

(2) Persons whose pertinent business activity is confined to the
production of unclassified technical data only. ...

(4) Persons who engage only in the fabrication of articles for
experimental or scientific purposes, including research and development.

(c) Purpose. Registration is primarily a means to provide the U.S. Government with necessary information on who is involved in certain manufacturing and exporting activities. Registration does not confer any export rights or privileges. It is generally a precondition to the issuance of any license or other approval under this subchapter.


Look at the parts I have underlined. Unless you can meet the exemption requirements, you need to register. Look, I do not want to sit here and go back and forth with you. I am just trying to inform you and keep you out of future trouble. If you don't think you need to register, then don't. Will the state department ever come after you about this, maybe or maybe not. Will you ever get hit with back fees if they do, maybe or maybe not. You have the info so do with it as you please, but don't say you were not informed. Have a great day.

 

[tyromeo55]

This is great news! Now ally ou have to do is pay your SOT and make a full auto to bring to the shoot!

 

[Honeybee]

Ok they said they were only concerned with defense articles, That is items to be sold to the military of this or another country or to civilians of other countries.

They have nothing to do with production for domestic civilian distribution.

 

[tm8634]

This was actually a good thing, They had me change my Class 1 license to a class 7 license, said it would give me more leeway for manufacturing than the gunsmith license did.

It seems that they consider changing / Adding 2 items or more to a firearm which will make it more valuable is manufacturing!! So if I add new trigger parts and new sights thats not gunsmithing? thats manufacturing??

Well I don't want to rub the ATF the wrong way so I said "No problem, lets do it."

HB was it vallerie??? she gave me a interview monday...

 

[Honeybee]

No her name was Allison