Conn. School Shooting

[Dale00]

Which is more important, the 1st Amendment or the 2nd?

Freedom of speech and expression allows the production and distribution of ultra-violent movies and video games which many argue are desensitizing and training youth to become mass killers. Why are no media people or politicians arguing for restrictions on the 1st Amendment?

Freedom of the press allows the distribution of the name and image of the mass shooters, creating a kind of glorification that copy-cat murderers crave. Why are no media people or politicians arguing for restrictions on the 1st Amendment to prohibit this?

Both the 1st and 2nd Amendments are basic human rights that the founders wisely set down on paper to protect. I believe that the first amendment angle is a good arguing point against gun-control in this situation.

 

[JB Books]

JB, As an Christian minister I understand your feelings. When times like this happen we all hope for the persons that do this to be placed in a hell. We can wish it and that is not wrong, but, punmishment is not for us to decide. Instead, we are to focus on those who have been hurt and find ways to help and support them. But even I wish sometimes that it would get extremely warm for people who do this.

Yes, I meant to apologize for that comment. It is not my place to judge a man's soul. That is God's exclusive province.

 

[RugersGR8]

Workman just posted this article. It has a lot of good information.

http://www.examiner.com/article/time-for-serious-debate-about-guns-and-school-safety
Time for serious debate about guns and school safety
Connecticut School Shooting
December 16, 2012
By: Dave Workman

 

[Lurker66]

It is not the fact that there are bad video games. It is that sorry ass parents let their young children play them. They don't need to blame the games. Blame the parents. I am an adult and like playing some of the ADULT games. They are not meant for children. But I also don't think that games are what is causing these things to happen. If someone wants to do something so horrific they will find a way. No matter what.

a little clarification. You used the term "sorry ass parents" to describe parents who let their kids play video games. Blaming a game for violence is the same as blaming a gun for violence. Blaming a parent for allowing a kid to play a violent game is the same as blaming a parent for allowing a kid to shoot firearms.

I let my kids shoot and i let them play violent games. Am i a sorry ass parent?

 

[Lurker66]

Children are curious beings, by removing the curiosity and instilling solid gun safety at a young age is key to them not "getting dad's 9 out" while friends are over. These are accidents to which I attribute NOT showing your child how a gun operates and what it does.

Shootings in schools and other acts of violence has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with any of the above. And lets not forget the shooter that is germane to this thread was over 20 years old.

Guns dont kill people, people kill people.

Countries who restrict firearms ownership to military only would be countries like Isreal, though in Isreal everyone is required to serve some time in the military IIRC. My point here is, that seems to be working well as there is no violence in Isreal.

I know your point, was being sarcastic. Guns dont kill people, neither does a game.

 

[bigbang]

a little clarification. You used the term "sorry ass parents" to describe parents who let their kids play video games. Blaming a game for violence is the same as blaming a gun for violence. Blaming a parent for allowing a kid to play a violent game is the same as blaming a parent for allowing a kid to shoot firearms.

I let my kids shoot and i let them play violent games. Am i a sorry ass parent?

I wouldn't use those words but it depends on your kids ages and what game. I would think the same way as letting your young kids being influenced by any bad media that could bend their young minds. Porn, distasteful language and disrespect for authority and such is probably not good for children to dwell on. Parents are responsible for the raising of their kids. My convections are different than others so to each his own. I do believe the goverment should stay out of "the people's lives".

 

[Cowman]

When I was a kid growing up in rural Oklahoma. It seems there were boundaries you did not cross. If you did. Punishment was hard. I can remember a school superintendent was found on a dirt country road by a couple of Ranchers. Who were riding around checking the country. This Superintendent was with the wife of a local businessman. Unsure of what state they were found. These two Ranchers were on the school board. Within a week the Super and his family had loaded up their stuff and were gone. I can remember a young man. That was troubled and was making threats similar to those that happens today. He and his family just left town. Never knew what happened there. It just seems there were hard men then. That just did not put up with nonsense. I can remember a man that was suspected of beating his wife and kids. Saw him walking with a cane and a cast. They may go after the guns. Go after the video game too. Yeah right. See if Sony et al lets that happen. I don't know the answer. But, this is a sad thing we have let happen to our country. All in the name if it feels good do it. It breaks my heart that there was not one hard person at the school. That was willing, trained, able, and allowed to protect the innocents. Regards

 

[Glocktogo]

When I was a kid growing up in rural Oklahoma. It seems there were boundaries you did not cross. If you did. Punishment was hard. I can remember a school superintendent was found on a dirt country road by a couple of Ranchers. Who were riding around checking the country. This Superintendent was with the wife of a local businessman. Unsure of what state they were found. These two Ranchers were on the school board. Within a week the Super and his family had loaded up their stuff and were gone. I can remember a young man. That was troubled and was making threats similar to those that happens today. He and his family just left town. Never knew what happened there. It just seems there were hard men then. That just did not put up with nonsense. I can remember a man that was suspected of beating his wife and kids. Saw him walking with a cane and a cast. They may go after the guns. Go after the video game too. Yeah right. See if Sony et al lets that happen. I don't know the answer. But, this is a sad thing we have let happen to our country. All in the name if it feels good do it. It breaks my heart that there was not one hard person at the school. That was willing, trained, able, and allowed to protect the innocents. Regards

Disuse of the practice "ridden out of town on a rail" is lamentable IMO.

 

[Fredkrueger100]

I didn't mean it to sound like I was calling everyone a sorry A parent. And excuse my language earlier. I usually don't post or say cuss words. Just got worked up. What I meant was that there are sorry parents out there that let there kids do anything they want and the parents don't stop them. Basically they are not parenting their children at all. Sorry to sound like I was calling everyone sorry. I was trying to make the point that I don't believe video games cause shootings to happen rather the lack of parenting that could attribute to warped behavior. I am not going to say my son has never seen a game he shouldn't have or a movie but I try and keep that out of his life.

 

[Fredkrueger100]

I do agree with the post earlier about the AWB causing many businesses to close if it passes. There're hundreds of businesses that strictly make AR's. and some that make just parts. And look how popular these rifles are these days. They make millions. That is some hefty tax revenue that they generate. It would devastate our economy. Something else they need to consider.