Daunte Wright Shooting

[Aries]

I'm going to say this, and I know I'm going to get shouted down. Not that I'm an expert, but I do listen and try to see things from different perspectives.

Many black people genuinely feel that if they get stopped they are going to end up getting arrested or killed. They often don't trust the police to treat them fairly so their reaction is fight or flight. Telling them 'just cooperate' would be like if I said if someone tries to hijack your car, just cooperate and it'll be fine. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but if you get a chance to get away from it, that's probably what you'll do because it's a dangerous situation. That's how they feel about interactions with the police.

So we see this and say, well... if they didn't have warrants and would cooperate, they'd be fine. They see it and say, it was just an expired tag or air freshener on his rear view mirror or whatever, and if he wasn't black he never would have been pulled over to begin with. So they'll see that as an excuse to pull him over and see what he was up to, and he ended up dead.

If you watched the video of the Army Lieutenant who got pepper sprayed, you might have gotten a sense of this. He didn't want to get out of his car and said he was afraid, but he wasn't just some hood rat with warrants. But he looked afraid, and he got pepper sprayed and thrown on the ground. Many black people will see this as typical interaction with the police, regardless of the circumstances.

I know the tendency will be to focus on this one incident and justify it. It's not about this one guy. It's not about George Floyd. It's about ALL of these incidents that have happened over several years, most of which look justifiable, but a few of which have some problems. They see them as another black person gets killed by the police or some white person, who isn't held accountable.

There is a very, very deep division right now between races, a lot of it has to do with so many of these incidents. Somebody will say it's just how it's reported in the news, but it doesn't matter. It is still their perception. I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think it's going to get any better because no one really listens to the other perspective.

I am certainly not saying the police are always wrong, I'm just saying there is another side to this issue. To them, it's not as simple as saying 'just cooperate'.

 

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[chuter]

I'm going to say this, and I know I'm going to get shouted down. Not that I'm an expert, but I do listen and try to see things from different perspectives.

Many black people genuinely feel that if they get stopped they are going to end up getting arrested or killed. They often don't trust the police to treat them fairly so their reaction is fight or flight. Telling them 'just cooperate' would be like if I said if someone tries to hijack your car, just cooperate and it'll be fine. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but if you get a chance to get away from it, that's probably what you'll do because it's a dangerous situation. That's how they feel about interactions with the police.

So we see this and say, well... if they didn't have warrants and would cooperate, they'd be fine. They see it and say, it was just an expired tag or air freshener on his rear view mirror or whatever, and if he wasn't black he never would have been pulled over to begin with. So they'll see that as an excuse to pull him over and see what he was up to, and he ended up dead.

If you watched the video of the Army Lieutenant who got pepper sprayed, you might have gotten a sense of this. He didn't want to get out of his car and said he was afraid, but he wasn't just some hood rat with warrants. But he looked afraid, and he got pepper sprayed and thrown on the ground. Many black people will see this as typical interaction with the police, regardless of the circumstances.

I know the tendency will be to focus on this one incident and justify it. It's not about this one guy. It's not about George Floyd. It's about ALL of these incidents that have happened over several years, most of which look justifiable, but a few of which have some problems. They see them as another black person gets killed by the police or some white person, who isn't held accountable.

There is a very, very deep division right now between races, a lot of it has to do with so many of these incidents. Somebody will say it's just how it's reported in the news, but it doesn't matter. It is still their perception. I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think it's going to get any better because no one really listens to the other perspective.

I am certainly not saying the police are always wrong, I'm just saying there is another side to this issue. To them, it's not as simple as saying 'just cooperate'.

I get where you're coming from (as much as an old white guy can) and I believe you're right; a lot of black people believe that.
Like Obama (IIRC) said, their parents tell them the cops are not your friend, etc.

I've been wondering what things would be like if a bit more context was told to those kids, something like 'some cops are bad and will treat you bad because you're black, but most are not that way. The best thing to do is cooperate, don't reach around in the car when they approach, don't give them reason to give you a hard time.'

I know I'm probably the least threatening person the cop will deal with in his day, but I still have my license and ins on the dash and my hands on the wheel, window open and engine off.

I'm guessing a lot of black families believe the 'hands up don't shoot' narrative from Ferguson MO and that just goes on their list of 'see, that's how cops are', but it turned out to be false, like a lot of the narratives around these cop-shoots-black-man incidents.

It's hard to have honest conversations with people when long held beliefs, on both sides, are so strong.

I sure don't have any answers for how to fix the mess we're in, but gotta come down on the side of the chances of Daunte Wright coming out alive would have been a lot better if he hadn't acted a fool.

 

[RickN]

It amazes me that they charged the cop for shooting this little gangbanger who was resisting arrest, but the cop who shot the woman at the capital was cleared.

 

[MacFromOK]

Many black people genuinely feel that if they get stopped they are going to end up getting arrested or killed. They often don't trust the police to treat them fairly so their reaction is fight or flight. Telling them 'just cooperate' would be like if I said if someone tries to hijack your car, just cooperate and it'll be fine. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but if you get a chance to get away from it, that's probably what you'll do because it's a dangerous situation. That's how they feel about interactions with the police.

So... how many of these black "victims" gettin' shot by LEOs have turned out to be upstanding citizens?

Or did outstanding warrants and passing counterfeit bills become the new "upstanding" normal nowadays?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I don't see any reason for that to change, no matter what color you are.

 

[dennishoddy]

It amazes me that they charged the cop for shooting this little gangbanger who was resisting arrest, but the cop who shot the woman at the capital was cleared.

Both were white....no crime committed.

 

[Aries]

I sure don't have any answers for how to fix the mess we're in, but gotta come down on the side of the chances of Daunte Wright coming out alive would have been a lot better if he hadn't acted a fool.

I don't disagree with you, I'm just trying to provide a view from a different angle. It's possible he was afraid. We see it as 'acting a fool', some blacks may see it as 'trying to survive'.

The perceptions are drastically different, and that is why there is so much division.

 

[Snattlerake]

I'm going to say this, and I know I'm going to get shouted down. Not that I'm an expert, but I do listen and try to see things from different perspectives.

Many black people genuinely feel that if they get stopped they are going to end up getting arrested or killed. They often don't trust the police to treat them fairly so their reaction is fight or flight. Telling them 'just cooperate' would be like if I said if someone tries to hijack your car, just cooperate and it'll be fine. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but if you get a chance to get away from it, that's probably what you'll do because it's a dangerous situation. That's how they feel about interactions with the police.

So we see this and say, well... if they didn't have warrants and would cooperate, they'd be fine. They see it and say, it was just an expired tag or air freshener on his rear view mirror or whatever, and if he wasn't black he never would have been pulled over to begin with. So they'll see that as an excuse to pull him over and see what he was up to, and he ended up dead.

If you watched the video of the Army Lieutenant who got pepper sprayed, you might have gotten a sense of this. He didn't want to get out of his car and said he was afraid, but he wasn't just some hood rat with warrants. But he looked afraid, and he got pepper sprayed and thrown on the ground. Many black people will see this as typical interaction with the police, regardless of the circumstances.

I know the tendency will be to focus on this one incident and justify it. It's not about this one guy. It's not about George Floyd. It's about ALL of these incidents that have happened over several years, most of which look justifiable, but a few of which have some problems. They see them as another black person gets killed by the police or some white person, who isn't held accountable.

There is a very, very deep division right now between races, a lot of it has to do with so many of these incidents. Somebody will say it's just how it's reported in the news, but it doesn't matter. It is still their perception. I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think it's going to get any better because no one really listens to the other perspective.

I am certainly not saying the police are always wrong, I'm just saying there is another side to this issue. To them, it's not as simple as saying 'just cooperate'.

Yeah right

 

[dennishoddy]

The funny thing is that I think most people in society WANT the police to be respected. I think most people DO think that cops discharge their duties honorably. But also what people see is that the same "honorable" ones will circle the wagons around the bad ones. No. Matter. What. How many times in the last year, the last few years has video come out with some dirty dirty on it and all the public will ever see is "we investigated ourselves and we find ourselves innocent." Like the release of information the other day that said the guy getting shot 7 times in the back was within department policy and training. How is that better? 7 times in the back of an invader in any of our homes and we're doing 20-life no questions asked.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-kenosha-police-officer-back-work/7212525002/

I saw a story the other day where a cop got off with a slap on the wrist after raping someone on-duty in his car because it was said "no one could prove consent wasn't given". I'd love to be able to cite that, but googling for "cop rapes woman in his car" brings up a sickening amount of results. Either way, I was on a jury that put someone in jail for 30 years for rape because of threat, and there's little to no way, in my mind, that someone is going to convince me a predator cop with a gun, handcuffs, (etc), and a whole system of protections is going to really get "consent". Because as the google results show, there's good reason for them to believe no one will believe the victim, they'll walk with no consequence because of "lack of evidence" or sometimes get a 90 day sentence or similar, when again, any of us would be looking 20-life.



Kind of riffing off my above point, the girl(s) in the stories basically had a choice --- A) cooperate (and get raped) or B) Take their chances. I don't think the choice is quite as binary as your make it out here.

This is the biggest piece of horse crap that is pandering to the leftist mentality I've seen on this forum in a long time.
You take two or three incidences of departments or individuals not following common LEO procedures and you group every LEO in this country in to being racist thugs when the facts are that a lot of LEO agencies have a majority of minority officers.
Minority officers were on the scene of the George Floyd incident. Minority officers were on the scene of almost every black shooting that has happened in America.
I believe the number of unarmed black Americans shot by police this year to date is 5, not that police were guilty of any crime until they go through court proceedings.
The number of officers that have been shot and killed to date this year is almost a hundred.
WTF is wrong with complying and getting out of the vehicle? Doing the opposite is escalating the situation and it's never going to go good for whomever does that no matter what your ethnicity is.
If found to have a warrant, your still going to get out of the vehicle no matter if you want to or not. Again ethnicity has no bearing on this.
If your culture says to resist, it means your culture is training you to me a martyr for the "cause".
Is that "cause" worthy of one's life or your child's life to teach them that?
Only if your black it appears if black families teach their children to resist like you imply.
Mayor De Blasio of NYC has came out publicly saying his black child was taught to not trust the police. We can see the state of affairs in that once great city now that has people afraid to walk the streets with a billion dollars removed from the LEO budget in an effort to defund the police as some of the activist are now successful at accomplishing.
The black Army LT that wouldn't get out of his vehicle is a prime example of black indoctrination to resist the police.
He was in uniform, asked to step of the vehicle multiple times in a calm voice, but chose to remain in his vehicle while asking why he needed to get out.
I don't know about this day's military but if a Drill Instructor told me to get out of my bunk and I rolled over pulling the covers over my head, I would have been summarily dragged off the top bunk to the floor and performed pushups for the rest of the day.
I was taught just like this LT learned from the military or he wouldn't have got that rank to respect authority just like my parents taught me through parental discipline.
When I was told to get out of bed to go to school, I went or my dad smoked my butt. If I back talked any adult, I got my butt smoked. When a cop busted me for speeding, my parents grounded me for violating the law and took away my driving privileges until I made enough money mowing yards to pay the fine. My children got the same teaching from their parents.
When black children are taught to not comply that is not fair to the child, setting them up for failure in the future as we see over and over.
The black culture has to change their thinking.

 

[Rez Exelon]

I don't disagree with you, I'm just trying to provide a view from a different angle. It's possible he was afraid. We see it as 'acting a fool', some blacks may see it as 'trying to survive'.

The perceptions are drastically different, and that is why there is so much division.

Just look at this board. In 12 years I bet I could count on one hand how many people really tried/try to look at both side of an issue. Especially a hot button one.

blah blah blah

You seem a little triggered tonight Hoddy --- try some avocado toast and tea maybe.