Expanded background checks DOES NOT EQUAL keeping crazy people from buying guns!!!

[jstaylor62]

Why don't people understand this simple concept?!?! Expanding background checks will not keep crazy people from passing those background checks and buying guns legally. Something has to change in how people with mental health issues are flagged and prevented from buying guns. I dont know what that needs to be done. I would like to hear intelligent people debate both sides of the issue so I can understand the potential problems. BUT NOBODY WILL DEBATE LET ALONE DISCUSS THIS ISSUE!

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/53075148/...istol-kim-strassel-robert-gibbs-tavis-smiley/

Sandy Phillips, who's daughter Jessica Ghawi, was killed in the Aurora, Colorado, shooting was on Meet The Press Sunday ...

DAVID GREGORY:

What is the most effective response to a series of massacres where mental health seems to be at the centerpiece? Our inability to reach people who are on this verge of violence and stop them, when we know the means of violence are everywhere. There's 300 million guns in this gonna.

SANDY PHILLIPS:

Well, the worst part of all of this, in my opinion, is with background checks, expanded background checks, we're going to close a lot of those gaps in our system, especially online sales, and the gun show loopholes that still exist. If you can do that, then it doesn't matter if someone is not as shall we say if they're predisposed to violence.

If you can stop that, and have that put into the system-- the system can only work as well as what's put into the system. So, yes, we have to look at the entire comprehensive approach. But what the background checks, that's the first step, and 90% of Americans want them, and over 70% of LaPierre's members want them. So it's not a hard fix.

 

[n8thegr8]

I have several issues with background checks:

1) It presupposes that the government has the right to decide who can exercise a constitutionally-protected natural right and who can't, which I think is bogus.

2) Mental illness is never cut and dry. If my wife/son/daughter goes to a clinic for depression, then suddenly I can't have firearms in my house to protect my family (as is the case in CA right now [source]).

3) Banning the mentally ill from gun ownership will discourage gun owners from seeking help if they start having issues, not to mention it would only compound the fears of paranoid schizophrenics who fear government already as it is.

4) It's a privacy issue. If somebody seeks treatment for mental issues (or any other health issue for that matter), it's nobody else's damn business. Any central government database of people with certain "undesirable" traits is ripe for abuse.

I think the better approach is to treat the disease, not the symptoms. Take steps to de-stigmatize mental illness, raise awareness, and get people help. Make it easier for people to get the treatment they need, and not treat them like criminals by taking their rights away.

 

[abajaj11]

Check this thread out where it has discussed extensively WHY UBC MUST lead to registration.

https://www.okshooters.com/showthre...ration-of-all-weapons&highlight=show+loophole

 

[n8thegr8]

Check this thread out where it has discussed extensively WHY UBC MUST lead to registration.

https://www.okshooters.com/showthre...ration-of-all-weapons&highlight=show+loophole

I don't think he wants a debate on UBC's (which has been debated ad nauseum), but rather on the pros/cons of reporting mental health data for more thorough background checks (he already points out that UBC won't do anything to stop the mentally ill who currently pass background checks from getting guns)

 

[Ruger76]

As long as the world stays crazy they will have something to gripe about they not going to be happy until they make ownership based on if u are high society. Expanding background checks will open up a can of worms a person that should not have a firearm will and the guy that is outspoken with his or her opinion will not. they put people jail for violent crimes just to let them out later because they feel sorry them oh well they know what's best us at least they think they do lol.

 

[farmerbyron]

Why don't people understand this simple concept?!?! Expanding background checks will not keep crazy people from passing those background checks and buying guns legally. Something has to change in how people with mental health issues are flagged and prevented from buying guns. I dont know what that needs to be done. I would like to hear intelligent people debate both sides of the issue so I can understand the potential problems. BUT NOBODY WILL DEBATE LET ALONE DISCUSS THIS ISSUE!

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/53075148/...istol-kim-strassel-robert-gibbs-tavis-smiley/

Sandy Phillips, who's daughter Jessica Ghawi, was killed in the Aurora, Colorado, shooting was on Meet The Press Sunday ...

DAVID GREGORY:

What is the most effective response to a series of massacres where mental health seems to be at the centerpiece? Our inability to reach people who are on this verge of violence and stop them, when we know the means of violence are everywhere. There's 300 million guns in this gonna.

SANDY PHILLIPS:

Well, the worst part of all of this, in my opinion, is with background checks, expanded background checks, we're going to close a lot of those gaps in our system, especially online sales, and the gun show loopholes that still exist. If you can do that, then it doesn't matter if someone is not as shall we say if they're predisposed to violence.

If you can stop that, and have that put into the system-- the system can only work as well as what's put into the system. So, yes, we have to look at the entire comprehensive approach. But what the background checks, that's the first step, and 90% of Americans want them, and over 70% of LaPierre's members want them. So it's not a hard fix.

I am so sick of people being deliberately ignorant of current law. There is 100% NO online loophole and the vast majority of gun show vendors are FFLs which require a background check. They just keep repeating the same old lies in the hopes of it becoming fact in people's mind. It would be nice to see the light of truth shone onto these snakes during these interviews/debates.

 

[Fredkrueger100]

For starters there is no gun show loophole. I can go out in the parking lot right now and sale my glock to whoever I want. That is my right. And to hesr that woman in that article say that over 70% of NRA members want more background checks pisses me off. I am so sick of the blatant lies. And the woman is so stupid she dont even know that when you buy a gun off the internet you have to ship to an ffl. Now I guess you could buy something off of craigslist but that aint no different than selling it at your house. The libs are gonna keep this crap up. They are hoping if they keep up they will get what they want. I just saw an interview on tv yesterday where the woman was talking about the Brady's and how it took them years to accomplish what they did. She said that if they continue to push they will get what they want. We cant let that happen.

 

[Stan Upchurch]

At what point do the citizens of this country say "Enough", and physically go to Washington and suggest that the government leaders follow the Constitution? The framers put the amendment to protect us from a tyrannical government. One that seeks to prevent the government from taking the citizens basic rights. Are we willing to sit by and allow the registration of our guns, like the German people did in the early 1900's. This only leads to the confiscation of ALL firearms. By then we have lost the power to resist., And our freedoms are gone. These are the questions many of us are thinking about, but, do not want to be the first to step forward for fear of losing all of our personal rights. And more importantly are such thoughts treason?