Federal judge says those accused of felonies still have Second Amendment rights

[Chuckie]

Innocent until proven guilty in court beyond a reasonable doubt.

If reasonable doubt exist, then you must acquit.

Once a sentence has been served, set them free, or do we punish some more with "extended sentences" that really never end?

I see both sides of the argument, but are we a free country or not?

There was a time when a sentence was served, that was the end of it. Not any more.

I dont have the answer anymore and that bothers me.

" I see both sides of the argument, but are we a free country or not? "

The United States has never been a free country because in all cases your freedom ends where my rights begin. At best, the United States guarantees us relatively unlimited options for choice.

 

[BillM]

So, according to you, for example, a 15 year old female who makes a false report that a teacher raped her should be executed? I'm only asking because that's exactly what you said. Regarding the execution of "all rapists". Let me first make it clear that I detest the crime, I worked more than a few during my time in law enforcement and, in my opinion, rapists are cowards and some of the lowest of the low and I'm all for ridding the planet of them. However, even though I never dealt with it, I understand that there can be extenuating circumstances like, as I brought up earlier (and you didn't address) honest mental issues involved that have a direct impact on a persons actions and can prevent him from understanding what he's doing. Should they also "kill" individuals who committed a sexual assault in spite of the fact that they really weren't responsible for their actions?

The point I'm trying to make is you are over-simplifying the whole process by making all these broad statements about how you believe justice should be delivered. In doing so you continue to fail to take into account that there may be factors involved which would dictate that a different solution would be appropriate. This not only applies to the above scenarios it applies to a variety of circumstances that you seem to believe should warrant nothing but a death sentence.

Lastly, you claim that "the folks who kill others usually work their way up from animals to humans". Obviously I've heard that before and I'm not doubting it, but since I never encountered any evidence of it with the individuals we arrested for homicide it would be nice to see proof to back up your statement.

If a guy gets executed over a false report, damn right! Honestly, I don't care if someone has mental issues. If they cannot safely be left out with other people, they need to go away. I've known a couple of people who made false accusations of rape, and a couple more who were accused of rape, and over a dozen who were actually raped. If we had a reliable justice system, it might be a bit different, but we do not.

I may be over-simplfying things, or you may be over-complicating them.

Guy who told me that about many killers work their way up from animals to humans was a profiler for the FBI, IIRC. It is not all, but many. Particularly serial killers. Anyone, apparently, can lose it and kill someone, what they called back then "crimes of passion." One of the guys who taught me to shoot was a cop in Glendale, CA, PD. A bunch of cops used to hang out at my dad's house and drink beer and tell stories on the weekends. I grew up in Southern California, mostly in Los Angeles County. "Uncle" Archie made what was, in the late '60's, the largest bust on someone dealing in marijuana in Glendale's history to that point. Also retired after being crippled by a kid not a whole lot older than I was then who'd been using Angel Dust. I heard most of those stories before the Summer of 1970. I may have a few details wrong. I know a lot of police procedure has changed radically since then. And Archie was crippled a few years later.

 

[Gadsden]

If a guy gets executed over a false report, damn right! Honestly, I don't care if someone has mental issues. If they cannot safely be left out with other people, they need to go away. I've known a couple of people who made false accusations of rape, and a couple more who were accused of rape, and over a dozen who were actually raped. If we had a reliable justice system, it might be a bit different, but we do not.

I may be over-simplfying things, or you may be over-complicating them.

Guy who told me that about many killers work their way up from animals to humans was a profiler for the FBI, IIRC. It is not all, but many. Particularly serial killers. Anyone, apparently, can lose it and kill someone, what they called back then "crimes of passion." One of the guys who taught me to shoot was a cop in Glendale, CA, PD. A bunch of cops used to hang out at my dad's house and drink beer and tell stories on the weekends. I grew up in Southern California, mostly in Los Angeles County. "Uncle" Archie made what was, in the late '60's, the largest bust on someone dealing in marijuana in Glendale's history to that point. Also retired after being crippled by a kid not a whole lot older than I was then who'd been using Angel Dust. I heard most of those stories before the Summer of 1970. I may have a few details wrong. I know a lot of police procedure has changed radically since then. And Archie was crippled a few years later.

Please, try to stay on track. Since we were talking specifically about a false report of sexual assault, tell me when anyone was executed for that crime, not rape/homicide, just rape.

Beyond that, because it's so absolutely absurd, I won't even bother elaborating on the fact that you think it's okay to execute someone who is not only legitimately, but also legally not responsible for their actions or that you'd sentence someone to death for making a false report over something that is not even a capital crime.

 

[retrieverman]

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

 

[TedKennedy]

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

What did you expect?

It's Biden's fault and 9mm is a weak round only fit for Tupperware guns and lard bellies that take up too much room watching football fairies.

Oh, and all taxes are theft.

 

[Gadsden]

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Hey, it's the OSA forum. That's pretty standard stuff here right....

 

[retrieverman]

Hey look, I had a parent murdered, so I have strong opinions about capital punishment. For a long time, I thought the two men involved should’ve been executed for the crime, but both men served their time and never got into any trouble the rest of their lives. My Mother being a much better person than me met with both men and forgave them.

I do believe there are certain people (and a lot of them) that absolutely cannot be rehabilitated, and it would probably be best for society that they be eliminated. Depending on the heinous nature of the crime, it could be on the first strike, but for sure when a person gets to three strikes, they need to be out. I personally don’t see any point in feeding and taking care of a person that positively can’t be trusted in society.

 

[TedKennedy]

There are absolutely people that need to cease breathing.

Problem is - should we trust the government to make those decisions?

 

[emapples]

We’ll more after the appeal.

Federal judge says those accused of felonies still have Second Amendment rights

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I don’t have a problem with this, once you pay your debt to society you should be able to continue your life normally. You should be able to vote as well

 

[Gadsden]

Hey look, I had a parent murdered, so I have strong opinions about capital punishment. For a long time, I thought the two men involved should’ve been executed for the crime, but both men served their time and never got into any trouble the rest of their lives. My Mother being a much better person than me met with both men and forgave them.

I do believe there are certain people (and a lot of them) that absolutely cannot be rehabilitated, and it would probably be best for society that they be eliminated. Depending on the heinous nature of the crime, it could be on the first strike, but for sure when a person gets to three strikes, they need to be out. I personally don’t see any point in feeding and taking care of a person that positively can’t be trusted in society.

As do I. My oldest brother, whom I was very close to, was murdered. He was shot down with a shotgun in his own basement by an outlaw biker who was pissed because my brother intervened when the biker started beating his "old lady" at a bar. My brother, a decorated Vietnam veteran and one of the kindest people you could ever know, was left for dead and eventually did die as he tried to crawl out of the basement and up the stairs to get to a phone. Unlike your mother, who is obviously a much better person than me too, I never forgave the person responsible for killing my brother. Had I been able to at the time, I'm sure I would have ended the POS. Instead he lived the rest of his life until he died of, I think, cancer.