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[reddog1]

If they can prove you are engaging in the business, you will have a federal firearms charge.

Lets say, you (non FFL) have a table at the show, a guy comes buy, (ATF agent)you get a hell of a deal on his ruger SR22.

When he walks away, you tag it, and put back on the table.

ATF agent # 2 buys it 10 min later.

BOOM, you have a federal firearms charge.

 

[Glocktogo]

If they can prove you are engaging in the business, you will have a federal firearms charge.

Lets say, you (non FFL) have a table at the show, a guy comes buy, (ATF agent)you get a hell of a deal on his ruger SR22.

When he walks away, you tag it, and put back on the table.

ATF agent # 2 buys it 10 min later.

BOOM, you have a federal firearms charge.

This. If you're buying guns to "flip" them, you're engaging in business as a dealer. Doesn't matter if it's one gun or a hundred. I'd have loved to have been stockpiling AR lowers and complete rifles to sell for ludicrous prices to fools during this scare. I could've easily done this. I didn't because I'd be acting as a dealer without a license. It wouldn't matter if I'd held onto them for a day or a year. Same, same.

If you want to get into the business of buying, selling and trading guns, whether for fun or profit, just get a license.

 

[cowzrul]

If they can prove you are engaging in the business, you will have a federal firearms charge.

Lets say, you (non FFL) have a table at the show, a guy comes buy, (ATF agent)you get a hell of a deal on his ruger SR22.

When he walks away, you tag it, and put back on the table.

ATF agent # 2 buys it 10 min later.

BOOM, you have a federal firearms charge.

This. If you're buying guns to "flip" them, you're engaging in business as a dealer.

This is what I thought as well. Thanks

 

[338Shooter]

If they can prove you are engaging in the business, you will have a federal firearms charge.

Lets say, you (non FFL) have a table at the show, a guy comes buy, (ATF agent)you get a hell of a deal on his ruger SR22.

When he walks away, you tag it, and put back on the table.

ATF agent # 2 buys it 10 min later.

BOOM, you have a federal firearms charge.

Why wouldn't the agent #2 just buy it directly from agent #1 for the good deal? Does agent 1 not like agent 2? Maybe agent 1 didn't know agent 2 was looking for a ruger.

 

[reddog1]

why wouldn't the agent #2 just buy it directly from agent #1 for the good deal? Does agent 1 not like agent 2? Maybe agent 1 didn't know agent 2 was looking for a ruger.

lmmfao!!!!!!!!

 

[Johnny]

Why wouldn't the agent #2 just buy it directly from agent #1 for the good deal? Does agent 1 not like agent 2? Maybe agent 1 didn't know agent 2 was looking for a ruger.

It is possiable that agent #2 realizes that agent #1 is an undercover ATF agent. Agent #2 is not a fool.

 

[reddog1]

wahahahahahaha!!!

 

[10Seconds]

What is tricky, absent a scenario like reddog's is trying to prove it. If I bought a few guns and months later sell them and buy different guns even if I make a profit its hard to prove that I am intending to do it as a business.

In the current market, a guy might go panic buy 3-4 AR15's to horde. Then he calms down and thinks, "hey I dont even like ARs I was just caught up in a frenzy I should sell before my wife kills me" so he sells them and given the current market turns a huge profit. Guilty? Not a case too many prosecutors are going to want to try unless he repeated the process a few times.

 

[Johnny]

What is tricky, absent a scenario like reddog's is trying to prove it. If I bought a few guns and months later sell them and buy different guns even if I make a profit its hard to prove that I am intending to do it as a business.

In the current market, a guy might go panic buy 3-4 AR15's to horde. Then he calms down and thinks, "hey I dont even like ARs I was just caught up in a frenzy I should sell before my wife kills me" so he sells them and given the current market turns a huge profit. Guilty? Not a case too many prosecutors are going to want to try unless he repeated the process a few times.

The problem is it is very vague and open to interpretation. It is the ATF's interpretation, not the individuals. Let us know how it works out.

 

[HMFIC]

Silly people... don't you know that all you have to do is put up a sign that says "PRIVATE COLLECTION" and thumb your nose at the ATF.

You can even triple-dog-dare them at that point and they can't do nuthin 'bout it cuz you've got a SIGN!