"For Our White Friends Desiring to Be Allies"

[GlockPride]

What y'all don't seem to understand is that once the government takes over healthcare, they have complete control of your body, your money and what you do. Why you would willingly allow ANYONE but your self makes no sense. Hypothetical: The tax is 15% of your income for tax this year on healthcare. The government doesn't limit spending and next year they need 18%, then 20. What's to stop them?

And first of all, quite demanding that everyone else pay for YOUR healthcare. It's YOUR responsibility and no one else's!

And yes, I'd say do away with ALL the other systems like Medicaid, Medicare, SS, etc.

 

[YukonGlocker]

once the government takes over healthcare, they have complete control of your body, your money and what you do

nah, that's a myth...nobody is proposing a system that would do this

 

[Annie]

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And yes, I'd say do away with ALL the other systems like Medicaid, Medicare, SS, etc.

Just as soon as the federal government gives me back every single ******* dime they held out of my paychecks, PLUS interest, they can do away with Social Security. Otherwise, I'd better be getting that pittance of a check every month from the day I qualify for it until the day I die. (Not that I could ever do anything about it if they decided to quit paying, but quite frankly, that is BS ... they need to repay what they've misappropriated from that unlocked lock box and put those funds BACK ... not that they will ever do THAT either.

 

[operator742]

Yeah like lower death rates better outcomes cheaper Healthcare lot of people would actually be saved by preventable medicine and it would end up costing less.

Why is it that Canada has far better outcomes than we do and pays a lot less for their health care than we do? Why is it the nobody in Canada will ever go bankrupt because they like Health Care coverage?

If it costs us more, covers us less and bankrupts and kills our people, why do we continue it?

Because big pharma and those big healthcare corporations pulled a tobacco-style campaign deriding universal healthcare as socialism and made up that whole death panel thing. Pure ignorance.

I'm going to ask a again,how do you purpose to pay for this free healthcare plan,and why do think it is a right for people to have healthcare and not a privilege?

 

[GlockPride]

nah, that's a myth...nobody is proposing a system that would do this

No, it's literally not a myth. Once they control account and you have the chip, then they say, hey high cholesterol so no bacon for you now on since we're paying.

And, you still haven't clarified yet enough for me why you, as a presumably grown man, need someone else to pay for YOUR care?

 

[YukonGlocker]

No, it's literally not a myth. Once they control account and you have the chip, then they say, hey high cholesterol so no bacon for you now on since we're paying.

And, you still haven't clarified yet enough for me why you, as a presumably grown man, need someone else to pay for YOUR care?

Given my income level, I doubt anyone would be paying for mine. I'd be paying a fair share that covers mine, plus some more to help cover those that can't pay, and I'm damn happy to do it.

 

[operator742]

Given my income level, I doubt anyone would be paying for mine. I'd be paying a fair share that covers mine, plus some more to help cover those that can't pay, and I'm damn happy to do it.

So your willing to what pay more taxes to pay is that right?

 

[YukonGlocker]

So your willing to what pay more taxes to pay is that right?

for universal healthcare, yes

 

[operator742]

for universal healthcare, yes

Why do you think that it's a right that everyone has healthcare ,and not a privilege?

 

[Frederick]

Sorry for the late reply, i work weekends.

NOT NO, BUT F*** NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOD DAMN, why the F*** do people think they deserve free **** from the Government????????? Lets cut the ******** here. You want free Medicare for all, which is basically what the VA is for retirees and medically discharged vets. You see what a disaster that is. Vets make a up a small percentage of the population, no you put EVERYONE on Medicare. The ONLY thing that is going to happen is there will only be enough money to put a band aid on a scrap, a generic band aid at that.

And another thing. As a middle class blue collar worker, I shouldn't have to flip the bill for the same quality med care that the poor people get, who failed to prepare for their own future

I don't know if i 'deserve' **** from the government, the government represents all of us. It's a team effort.
Also, it's not like the VA because with the VA, the provider is owned and operated by the government. Medicare doesn't work that way.

The thing about all this is that most the folks who make up a lot of healthcare expenses are the people with serious recurring problems. for folks with congenital or chronic problems, it's not a matter of 'preparing for their own future'.

The funny thing is, because of the Emergency medical treatment act of 1986, hospitals have to accept patients regardless of ability to pay and absorb the costs. So, instead of getting much cheaper preventative care, they wait until it becomes an emergency and go to the hospital for something that would have been taken care of by a physician if they had the health insurance to afford it. This ends up costing a lot more money to treat and clogs up our emergency rooms.

In the end, you have to pay for their healthcare anyway. Ever wonder why the hospital costs in the U.S. are the highest in the world? ever wonder why aspirin is like 50 bucks in a hospital? Because they shift that cost onto the consumer. Do you suggest we should just refuse them unless they can pay, and let them die on the streets? I guess if it's slower and less visible it's acceptable.

It's all fine and dandy to blame people for not having health insurance, but at the end of the day we all have to pay for it anyway. It just costs even more and it costs lives, too.

You complain about not wanting to pay for someone elses healthcare, but it would actually end up costing you less than your premiums/copay does now.

Healthcare is a human right and a necessity, not a ****ing Obama phone.

Which is why the former Canadian Prime Minister flew down here for surgery a while back because he didn't want his chest cracked open and the U.S. had several places that could perform his heart surgery through his leg?

Far better outcomes like 6 month MRI wait times?

Yeah...... bullchit.

There are waiting times in Canada for non-life threatening problems. Depending on how bad it is and what province you're in.

Most canadians who go south of the border do it for non-life threatening issues or because they're misguided about the quality of American care.

but the facts simply do not back them up.

How do you purpose to pay for this free healthcare, why do rich people from all over the world come to American for their healthcare?

See above.

As far as a proposition on how to pay for it -- it would take about ~500 dollars a year in healthcare premiums for the average family based on income. 500 dollars a year is pretty damn cheap for extensive medical care. It's not free. Everyone has to pay, unless they earn under a certain amount. In Canada it's more like ~120 a year.

What y'all don't seem to understand is that once the government takes over healthcare, they have complete control of your body, your money and what you do. Why you would willingly allow ANYONE but your self makes no sense. Hypothetical: The tax is 15% of your income for tax this year on healthcare. The government doesn't limit spending and next year they need 18%, then 20. What's to stop them?




And first of all, quite demanding that everyone else pay for YOUR healthcare. It's YOUR responsibility and no one else's!

And yes, I'd say do away with ALL the other systems like Medicaid, Medicare, SS, etc.

15% for healthcare is absurdly high. What i don't think people understand is that we're overpaying for our healthcare.

[Broken External Image]

Just as soon as the federal government gives me back every single ******* dime they held out of my paychecks, PLUS interest, they can do away with Social Security. Otherwise, I'd better be getting that pittance of a check every month from the day I qualify for it until the day I die. (Not that I could ever do anything about it if they decided to quit paying, but quite frankly, that is BS ... they need to repay what they've misappropriated from that unlocked lock box and put those funds BACK ... not that they will ever do THAT either.

Social Security is important because no one can ever reach those funds. No matter what cataclysms befall you in life, you'll at least have that meager pension to survive on as an older person. I think that's something we should provide our elderly.

The funny thing is, Social Security doesn't save your money for when you're old. They're just taking your money and giving it to the old people now. When you get old, my social security payments will go to you and then when i get old the next generation will give me my pension. that's the social contract.

Also, what about when Annie was pregnant. No foodstamps to keep her baby alive? What about Medicaid she was no doubt provided? What about older people?

Do you guys remember what happened before Obamacare?

Want to remember the REAL ********? Pre-existing conditions,

That's right. If you manage to get a disease that cost too much money, you might not be able to get healthcare at all. You should have just been responsible and taken care of yourself.

If you had heart disease, high blood pressure, cancer, type 2 diabetes, asthma or any other costly problem, they could simply deny you coverage. Or charge you such exorbitant rates that you could not afford it unless you were a millionaire. Guess you should have just prepared for the future and earned your millions in case you got sick.

Obamacare took care of that, we don't have Pre-existing conditions anymore. But when the healthcare companies ran the shots, that's what we had. If you were born with a pre-existing condition, you couldn't even get health insurance.

The problem with Health Insurance, that think ya'll aren't understanding, is that it is not a want. It is a need.

It's not an iphone, it's not a toyota or a big screen TV. You can't choose whether or not you have healthcare. You either have it, or you die. And the foolish folly of these misguided beliefs is that it ends up costing you more to deny it to others than it does to simply pony up the much cheaper healthcare premiums.

and the knowledge that if you get laid off, you won't have to pull out your own teeth or slowly die of cancer unable to work or afford the care that you deserve as a human being.