How do you train?

[Slim Deal]

A very interesting thread, it's actually more revealing than anything. I'm glad I took the time to read the whole thread.

 

[Snattlerake]

John Murphy is the guy I have been trying to find ever since this thread started.

He is brilliant in his training to spot danger signs of a pre attack. I have applied these to my daily life and feel much safer.

 

[TedKennedy]

John Murphy is the guy I have been trying to find ever since this thread started.

He is brilliant in his training to spot danger signs of a pre attack. I have applied these to my daily life and feel much safer.

Very informative.

Pretty clear to see why the comments are turned off lol.

 

[Meadhall Range]

Murphy is someone you absolutely should train with so that you are doing something more than carrying a magic totem. It does help if you square away gear and draw issues before you attend the class, but even if you don't fire a shot at all in class there is a ton there to learn.

 

[Jgibs0321]

Until we know the "why" we can't properly train/practice the "how".

First, let's be honest and call this what it is, it's "fighting". I get it, fighting isn't PC and gun people tend to shy away from the term as it casts a negative connatation. That being said, until we come to terms with "fighting" as opposed to being involved in a fun pastime that might also be a means to save our life we will continue to be bogged down in the "how"

Being a good shooter isn't the same as being a good fighter, it is like saying that being a good heavy bag puncher makes a good boxer, there is much more required. Being a good shooter is a part of being a good fighter but only a part, not the whole.

Becoming a good shooter is for the most part a fun pastime, becoming a good fighter is for the most part arduous.

While it might be fun to spend a weekend training like a SWAT team guy or a SEAL that type of training has little or nothing in common with what the CCW is likely to require should the need arise.

Before any training decide what you will and will not, as a CCW, become involved in and hard focus on that aspect.

For me, I am not a sheepdog, I will not run to the sound of gunfire. I am not one that will run to the rescue or stop the bad guy from doing bad things to things or people that I am not willing to risk having my life destroyed to save. To my way of thinking everyone is on their own. Unless it is a direct attack my mouth stays closed, my fists remain unclenched, the pepper spray remains in the pocket and pistol remains in the holster. I put no faith in "situational awarness", Cooper's "color code" or bogus "stand your ground" laws. I will always be behind the curve should an attack ever occur. My training/practice

 

[Jgibs0321]

Until we know the "why" we can't properly train/practice the "how".

First, let's be honest and call this what it is, it's "fighting". I get it, fighting isn't PC and gun people tend to shy away from the term as it casts a negative connatation. That being said, until we come to terms with "fighting" as opposed to being involved in a fun pastime that might also be a means to save our life we will continue to be bogged down in the "how"

Being a good shooter isn't the same as being a good fighter, it is like saying that being a good heavy bag puncher makes a good boxer, there is much more required. Being a good shooter is a part of being a good fighter but only a part, not the whole.

Becoming a good shooter is for the most part a fun pastime, becoming a good fighter is for the most part arduous.

While it might be fun to spend a weekend training like a SWAT team guy or a SEAL that type of training has little or nothing in common with what the CCW is likely to require should the need arise.

Before any training decide what you will and will not, as a CCW, become involved in and hard focus on that aspect.

For me, I am not a sheepdog, I will not run to the sound of gunfire. I am not one that will run to the rescue or stop the bad guy from doing bad things to things or people that I am not willing to risk having my life destroyed to save. To my way of thinking everyone is on their own. Unless it is a direct attack my mouth stays closed, my fists remain unclenched, the pepper spray remains in the pocket and pistol remains in the holster. I put no faith in "situational awarness", Cooper's "color code" or bogus "stand your ground" laws. I will always be behind the curve should an attack ever occur. My training/practice is a direct reflection of that thinking.

Where Special Operations training comes in handy is primarily active shooter situations which most people are not prepared to respond to. Including traumatic wound treatment. I find a lot of training I did to be very useful for civilian self defense work. The need for Gun handling and tactics never go away.

 

[Snattlerake]

Where Special Operations training comes in handy is primarily active shooter situations which most people are not prepared to respond to. Including traumatic wound treatment. I find a lot of training I did to be very useful for civilian self defense work. The need for Gun handling and tactics never go away.

The knowledge may not but I can assure you the motor skills really suffer after years of non use. After two weeks of being on vacation, I went back to work and missed the mic bracket in the car a few times. That miss was not under stress either.

 

[wolfkpr]

I think, short of paying for class at thunder ranch or someplace- that IDPA matches are some of the best training in fundamentals you can get. It makes you draw ( from concealment), use cover/ concealment, introduces “ friendly” silhouettes among the “ targets”, makes you move, with the gun out, time pressure, target priority ( close threat before far,etc).. i found it very useful, and not very expensive.

 

[ricco]

Where Special Operations training comes in handy is primarily active shooter situations which most people are not prepared to respond to. Including traumatic wound treatment. I find a lot of training I did to be very useful for civilian self defense work. The need for Gun handling and tactics never go away.

As has been said so many times, everything is something but nothing is everything so different scenarios have to be considered. There is no comparison between the young motivated highly conditioned Spec Ops guy and Joe Average. So that said, the CCW needs to focus on the most likely. Do active shooters situations happen, of course, but are they likely? Is the bad guy in the dimly lighted parking lot likely, yes, at least more so than the active shooter scenario. Street crime is on the rise with no sign of diminishing. There are only so many hours of training/practice time, ammo, money and plain old want to available to the average person so the question is, how do you spend it? Do you spend it doing Spec Ops/SWAT stuff or bad guy in the dimly lighted parking lot stuff.

I agree 100% on wound management, also, the better your physical condition the more likely you are to cope with a serious injury.

 

[Meadhall Range]

As has been said so many times, everything is something but nothing is everything so different scenarios have to be considered. There is no comparison between the young motivated highly conditioned Spec Ops guy and Joe Average. So that said, the CCW needs to focus on the most likely. Do active shooters situations happen, of course, but are they likely? Is the bad guy in the dimly lighted parking lot likely, yes, at least more so than the active shooter scenario. Street crime is on the rise with no sign of diminishing. There are only so many hours of training/practice time, ammo, money and plain old want to available to the average person so the question is, how do you spend it? Do you spend it doing Spec Ops/SWAT stuff or bad guy in the dimly lighted parking lot stuff.

I agree 100% on wound management, also, the better your physical condition the more likely you are to cope with a serious injury.

Depending on the wound your physical conditioning may not matter as much. Med skills are Important and need to be refreshed on occasion and practiced. Now I do agree with your prior comment in a lot of ways. Time, money, ammo, etc are always going to be at a premium. That is one of the reasons I bring in a variety of trainers in different disciplines, different levels, etc. The unfortunate thing is that there are also a LOT of people that think they don't need "training". They would be wrong. The fact that you (Ricco this is the general "you" not you specifically sir ) "have been around guns all my life" doesn't mean you actually know jack squat about defensive gun use. The CCW class you took doesn't mean you know squat about defensive gun use. Etc. People complain about the cost of range fees or the cost of a class or "why can't I draw at this public range despite never having done any training" on a regular basis. NOTHING is free Including skill.

I had a friend of mine from the Corps that lives in Missouri call me up and ask if he could come down and have me "touch him up" on pistol. Been around guns all his life, hunter, etc, and been in the Corps, but after having him on the range for 4 hours teaching some really basic stuff he had to stop because "my brain is fried, I didn't realize how much I didn't know here". There are going to be the people that come back with "I can't afford to be taking classes all the time". Ok...no one expects you to be taking a class every single month but get into SOME classes. At least get to a basic level of actual competency and do some maintenance on it.