Is a NICS check really full-on gun registration already?

[flybeech]

It appears that many of our Republican legislators are beginning to favor UBC's for each and every transfer of firearms, to "keep us safe" and as a way to appease those who want to eliminate our natural right to self defense, from whatever threat, be it a mugger, or tyranny.

I hold several FFL licenses and am required to receive and retain a completed form 4473, as well as perform a NICS check on each person who wants to receive a firearm. While the NICS check doesn't specifically ask the make, model, caliber and serial number of the transferred firearm, it does mandate that I disclose whether the transfer is a hand gun or a long gun. I'm required to record the type, make, model, caliber and serial number of the firearm on the 4473 and retain the document for inspection of the ATF, on demand. Essentially, I am only a storage house for documents that belong to the Federal government.

Knowing how the Federal government has become a master of data mining and data collection on every American citizen, why would I have any expectation that the Federal government does nothing with the data collected on the NICS IBC? Since the ATF, FBI or any other Federal agency can at any time merge the information collected with form 4473 documents the FFL is required to house for the ATF, why would a reasonable person believe that the Federal government would NOT retain every bit of data collected in the course of a background check?

In other words, if it is presumed the government retains the data collected in a firearms transfer, doesn't it also mean that every firearm sold through the FFL is de-facto registered at transfer?

 

[Dale00]

As I perceive things, private sales shuffle the deck and make it impossible for the government to know exactly what firearms an individual owns. If they have no proof of what individual citizens have on hand then firearm ownership taxes, Obamacare firearms penalties or confiscation efforts are hard to implement.

 

[O4L]

I believe that there is enough information recorded and kept with the NICS that a UBC on all sales, including private sales, would be a major step in the wrong direction that would lead to full blown registration.

 

[angsniper]

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[abajaj11]

NICs checks DO NOT ALLOW the FBI to keep the data in a database. They are expressly forbidden from doing so.
http://www.acslpa.org/html/nics_fbi_letter.html
Right now, a person goes into an FFL, gets the NICs check and gets an OK or a DENY.
If they get a DENY, the FBI is currently, under Holder, maintaining that information indefinitely.The legality of this is dubious but I am not aware of anyone crying foul over it yet.
If they get an OK, the FBI is not able to maintain that information in a database, but has to destroy that data within 24 hours. I am sure Mr. Holder and POTUs would LOVE to keep that info ( a defacto registration) but they are EXPRESSLY forbidden from doing so and can likely go to jail if they do.

The one thing the anti-2As would LOVE is a gun registry of who owns what. For that, they MUST get a Universal Background Check passed.
see the link below to understand how this can happen:
https://www.okshooters.com/showthre...ration-of-all-weapons&highlight=show+loophole

Everything else,...the assault weapon ban, the magazine cap limit, etc is all SMOKE and MIrrors in my opinion. It's like a conjuring trick...they want you to focus on those while they try to sneak in a Universal Background Check.
We must stop it. I am talking ONLY about the UBC when i talk to my senators and congressman's offices every week.

 

[Fyrtwuck]

I am sure Mr. Holder and POTUs would LOVE to keep that info ( a defacto registration) but they are EXPRESSLY forbidden from doing so and can likely go to jail if they do.

If Holder didn't go to jail for Fast and Furious, I don't see him going to jail for this either. He is being protected like any other critter on the endangered species list.

IIRC correctly, there has been discussion in the past that said if a FFL loses his license or quits business, they have XX amount of time to send all copies of the 4473's to the BATFE. Is that correct? If so, isn't that registration as well?

 

[flybeech]

If Holder didn't go to jail for Fast and Furious, I don't see him going to jail for this either. He is being protected like any other critter on the endangered species list.

IIRC correctly, there has been discussion in the past that said if a FFL loses his license or quits business, they have XX amount of time to send all copies of the 4473's to the BATFE. Is that correct? If so, isn't that registration as well?

You remember correctly. The 4473 contains detailed information of the purchaser and what they bought. Those documents are the property of the government and theirs to inspect whenever they want and as you stated, when the FFL loses their license or quits business, the 4473 forms all go to the ATF. Bajaj is correct that the law is supposed to prevent retention of data NICS data for a proceed, but who believes a government who legalized insider trading for themselves, exempts themselves from any restrictive laws, taxes fines and punishment, hoards guns, ammo and food for themselves, while demonizing the slaves for doing the same, can possess any form of weaponry they want, while permitting a tiny fraction for the people, slaughtering whole villages with drones, has TSA screeners put their hands in our pants as a condition to travel "freely", arms every bureaucracy to the teeth, invades sovereign nations without declaration of war and allows the private Federal Reserve to counterfeit and unconstitutional money creating the hidden taxation of guaranteed inflation and assigns trillions in debt to generations not yet born?

Yeah, I think they might collect and maintain every bit of data collected in the current background check for the purchase of a firearm, but then again, I've got a tin-foil hat.

 

[farmerbyron]

If Holder didn't go to jail for Fast and Furious, I don't see him going to jail for this either. He is being protected like any other critter on the endangered species list.

IIRC correctly, there has been discussion in the past that said if a FFL loses his license or quits business, they have XX amount of time to send all copies of the 4473's to the BATFE. Is that correct? If so, isn't that registration as well?

What if there is a tragic electrical fire and all the records were lost? Would just be a shame wouldn't it?