Is our political system obselete? And if so, what's the alternative?

[TedKennedy]

The people of the US are being used like cattle. Their property is stolen from them each payday, they send their sons overseas to die for no reason and their leaders are leading them towards destruction. Few are willing to delve into who is using them. Which is a shame. Once one realizes they are being used and then by whom, only then can one defend themselves from it. Sadly, Americans have grown trustful of government as indicated by their growing dependence on government. The US is no longer a constitutional republic but a socialist oligarchy. And it's dying in spite of the patriotic rhetoric. Nothing can bring it back. Not even the Creator himself since it has rejected his natural laws. Disregard those laws, suffer the consequences.

You got it. Not only this, but they'll willingly line up to pay with cash and blood, all the while waving the flag, under the illusion that all we do is for "freedom". I wish it were so.

"Freedom's just a word. If I gotta die for a word it's gonna be......"

 

[Grindstone]

Last, this concept that voting is a right is contrary to common sense. What has ensued is that the leeches amongst us can have their votes bought for the price of an EBT card. Bread and circuses.

Yep, we should go back to the way voting was intended: Rich, white, land-owning males only.

 

[Junior Bonner]

Yep, we should go back to the way voting was intended: Rich, white, land-owning males only.

Your statement is based on fact. While many believe we sought independence to escape tyranny, the fact is that the founders of the US were businessmen. Some of them were very shrewd. Is that good? Is that bad? You be the jury, OSA...

 

[Billybob]

Your statement is based on fact. While many believe we sought independence to escape tyranny, the fact is that the founders of the US were businessmen. Some of them were very shrewd. Is that good? Is that bad? You be the jury, OSA...

Maybe we should specifically remember the long train of abuses and separate the political issues that lead to the Revolution from the social issues?

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

 

[Junior Bonner]

Your facts are also correct.

 

[cjjtulsa]

Yep, we should go back to the way voting was intended: Rich, white, land-owning males only.

Not sure about the "rich and white", or even the "males", but landowners for sure.

You sure seem to have a chip on your shoulder concerning the mean old white man.

 

[donner]

Not sure about the "rich and white", or even the "males", but landowners for sure.

So you're say that those who don't own land shouldn't be allowed to vote?

 

[Grindstone]

Not sure about the "rich and white", or even the "males", but landowners for sure.

You sure seem to have a chip on your shoulder concerning the mean old white man.

Rich and land-owning was a little redundant I guess. As for the second part of your first sentence, I'm sure you recall this little thing called "Women's Suffrage"?

No chip, just poking a little fun. But you have to admit, old white men are pretty much the mainstay of the GOP.

 

[Junior Bonner]

Rich and land-owning was a little redundant I guess. As for the second part of your first sentence, I'm sure you recall this little thing called "Women's Suffrage"?

No chip, just poking a little fun. But you have to admit, old white men are pretty much the mainstay of the GOP.

What do you think of Rand Paul? Honest opinion.

 

[Grindstone]

What do you think of Rand Paul? Honest opinion.

Less far-right Republican. I get that he's trying to appeal to his father's (don't mistake me for a fanboy of his, either) following with his libertarian-ish leanings, but he's not a Libertarian (and he's said so explicitly). Which, in my opinion, is far better than most other main-stream Republicans. The scramble to become even further extreme right-wing is what's killing the party. My personal two biggest beefs with the GOP come down to religion and authoritarianism, which could actually be considered the same on a slightly more esoteric level.