MSRP $2200 asking $3200

[Phildo64]

I paid a $100 each for a few 17 rd mags back in the day! Wonder what 33rd mags will go for if the hi cap mag ban comes back!

I dont wanna find out

 

[dugby]

Sound reasoning is so much more pleasant than a shrill whining.

Would you all be upset at a posting for a brand new gun at 30% below MSRP as well?

If lower than MSRP would OK with you I might ask why you allow one and not the other? The buyer has the liberty (the right) to ask whatever in the world they want to ask in a free market. As 1 Shott points out no one is forcing the sale. (forcing the sale is what started both Tea Parties)

When you say that you will welcome lower prices and not higher prices you are trying to manage the economy. When you make a public judgment about a sale you are not involved in and then try to stop or prevent future sales you are trying to manage a marketplace. Some really smart folks think (and thought) that economies always need a "a little more" management and control. Folks like President Omama, Chairman Mao Zedong and a lot of others. Such people always do it "for the common person", etc. But it ends in tears.

The first great thing I learned when I came to Oklahoma 30 years ago was; "A horse is worth what someone will give you for it - today". This gets more true the older I get. I have sat in BOD meeting of a Co-op before. Let me tell you if you want to see price panic sit in on one of those meetings at your local co-op when the .gov starts buying corn grain for ethanol. I bring this up because a Co-op is a community that has banned together in order to manage prices and serve members (among other things). One of the worst things a community like that can do is to ignore a fundamental change in prices of commodities that impact members. The only thing worse would be to actively work to drive those transactions outside of the community out of frustration/fear/dreed.

Now in terms of OSA (And this thread WAS about an off-site gun that seems to have sold now):
OSA can set whatever policies that Mr. Drown cares to regarding the classifieds. OSA does not need to be a free market at all. I see many of you advocating only to allow "good transactions" at OSA. But if the policy is "ads 5% over MSRP will be deleted" that might be a good thing to state. If policy is "OSA will never acknowledge a gun price rise until the prices have been in place for at least 365 days" state it. If you want to protect members from price rises, you may also end up protecting them from price drops - this has been the fate of most of the worlds smart "economy planners".

Seeking to block transactions that obey the current rules but that you don't like may hurt OSA long-term. You are pursuing a strategy that divides. Our members may want to sell a PMag for $45. Do they wait 90days? Do they wait 3 years? Probably not - they sell by some other method rather that risk the ridicule of a community they respect. Some members might be OK buying a $45 PMag in 3 months if prices have not "stabilized. YOU are the boss of your own buying and selling. Our sponsors have to restock at crazy-high prices. Our members are in the exact same boat as them. Are we honestly going to ask them to take grief from us for a problem that they did not create? Jesus is the only 'man' I know of who would hang and around to be punished for a crime he was not guilty of. Most normal folks will simply move on and do business elsewhere.

Take responsibility for your own actions in the market that you are in today. Buy when items are low and sell when they are worth more to someone else than they are to you. Free speech is wonderful - talk about prices that are too high for you to pay - but please don't try to bully or scare others (with talk about bans and deleted posts) into selling to you at prices below the current market. We can't seek to enforce the site's policies by violating the spirit of them - trashing another member's ad directly or indirectly. Too many of you are all betting that this price increase is price spike and will be other soon. "Betting" is the key word in the previous sentence. Its a gamble. May pay off, may not. I Think OSA needs to be uniting shooters and not dividing them at a time like this. I want to see this community incorporate some of the new faces who have wandered in - not make a mean face at them because they are sitting in "your" pew at church. The future of US shooting has a lot more pressing concerns than the current price of ARs.

 

[jakeman]

Personally, I believe that there are people out there doing more than capitalizing, and I highly doubt any are taking a loss. When you paid $120 for something and are turning around and trying to sell it for $500 that's profit, not loss. Now, if you bought it for $500 and are trying to sell it for $500 then good on ya. The problem I'm seeing is that the prices at reputable shops and MSRP don't reflect such a spike. Sure, there's panic buying that's causing supply issues, and there's a possibility of a ban, but does that excuse people from being moral? I don't think so.

I've got a mental list of people and places I won't be doing business with in the future due to these actions. I won't "flag" them or berate them. I'll simply refuse to give them any of my business. Maybe this is because I don't need anything. I have advised friends of mine to not buy at exorbitant prices, and given them a list of places I would steer clear of.

I'm of the mind that it's their right to sell at whatever price they want to, and my right to not buy it.

Dead spot on.

The price spikes are being driven by individuals, and profiteering dealers. It is what it is. Really the people responsible are the ones buying at those prices. If they would just stop, this would fix itself. Now, the individuals that are buying up available inventory at reasonable prices, and then re-listing it online at a 500% markup, I hope those bastards get stuck with everything they've bought.

 

[dugby]

The price spikes are being driven by individuals, and profiteering dealers. It is what it is. Really the people responsible are the ones buying at those prices. If they would just stop, this would fix itself. Now, the individuals that are buying up available inventory at reasonable prices, and then re-listing it online at a 500% markup, I hope those ******* get stuck with everything they've bought.

I hope they make lots of money and help their families and others with their good fortune. Heaven only knows what kind of need they had to take a chance like that. I am happy for them and for the people whose fears were assuaged by the service they offered. The buyer now has the weapon they wanted more than the money in their pocket. Things were scarce and they still managed to help them out. Glad things are working out for both of them at least to this point. As this victimhood mentality erodes our great country I am sure he or his children will find that to be money well spent.

 

[vicious]

Again, I think this is unfair because the future of these small gun shops is in jeopardy right now, and I'm sure they are very concerned about how hard the proposed new law is going to limit what they can sell. $1,000 lowers... not so much. But $40 Pmags does not seem inappropriate due to these small seller's inability to consistently re-order more to restock their shelves with.

I think this is false logic. I know that the gun shops I go to sell more than just AR's and their associated parts, and have not gone to an AR specific shop. They are still selling at reasonable prices, and I don't think they will go under because of people like me who will still shop there.

The idea that they have to do a 10x markup on a product you've already got in stock to keep from going out of business is ridiculous. I've been involved in retail buying and selling, and you don't buy anything that you HAVE to mark up 10 times to be able to stay in business, otherwise you'll find yourself out of business. I can also see a price increase on new inventory, but I've personally never something priced based on a perceived notion that we'd have to pay more for new stock. If new stock cost more, then it would be sold for more.

With regard to $40 pmags, I disagree here too. I may be wrong, but it seems as though they aren't going up quite that much. I can still backorder from sites in the sub $20 range, so maybe go up to $25 for on hand convenience, but again I think $40 is a bit much. This is just me. Most of these guys paid less than $15 retail, and are trying to double that. It just seems unethical, so I won't pay it.

Again, this is all just my opinion and way of thinking. To each their own. I speak with my cash. I either buy or I don't. I also give recommendations to friends when they ask. There are shops who will lose long term true business because they are taking advantage of the situation, and I think that will hurt much more than people who don't make an exorbitant amount today. After all, one way or another this will end (ban or not) and at that point true gun people will still be buying, and those who are freaking out won't. Who do you want shopping with you?

Dead spot on.

The price spikes are being driven by individuals, and profiteering dealers. It is what it is. Really the people responsible are the ones buying at those prices. If they would just stop, this would fix itself. Now, the individuals that are buying up available inventory at reasonable prices, and then re-listing it online at a 500% markup, I hope those bastards get stuck with everything they've bought.

Just like a hedge fund. We saw them go down due to their speculation and greed. This may or may not happen with these people, but I'm sure some people will get bitten.

In the end I can see a true 10-20% permanent increase if the ban doesn't pass. If it does, well these things will stay expensive for the run. At that a MSRP of $19.99 will become a $23 item. A $110.00 lower will eventually cost about $125. It's just my own speculation, but I've seen runs on other items, and this has pretty much held true.

I promote relaxing, and hopefully I'm on the right side. If I end up spending way more post ban because it is passed and I need or want something, that's on me. I'll still shop at the small shops I deal with today, and I won't (out of spite) deal with those I believe are gouging today.

 

[Stephen Cue]

Opponents of the ban claimed that its expiration has seen little if any increase in crime, while Senator Diane Feinstein claimed the ban was effective because "It was drying up supply and driving up prices."

Looks like she is getting what she wants without even having an AWB enacted.

Yea panick buying!

Also for those that are buying up all the ammo for no reason other than to flip it and double your money due to empty ammo shelves...mainly because you're needlessly buying!!!! :finger:

Please guys, quit buying overpriced ammo, those prices from retailers are not inflating. Scumbags buying it up then reselling are the only ones raising the ammo price.

 

[jakeman]

I hope they make lots of money and help their families and others with their good fortune. Heaven only knows what kind of need they had to take a chance like that. I am happy for them and for the people whose fears were assuaged by the service they offered. The buyer now has the weapon they wanted more than the money in their pocket. Things were scarce and they still managed to help them out. Glad things are working out for both of them at least to this point. As this victimhood mentality erodes our great country I am sure he or his children will find that to be money well spent.

If they weren't buying up all available supplies and then trying to flip it, there wouldn't be supply issues. I hope they go broke and have to liquidate everything they've hoarded, and take a huge loss. Maybe next time they try to capitalize on a tragedy they'll give it some more thought.

Again, the issue is with the people paying those prices. If they'll stop, the market will fix itself. Buying at 10X the retail price is like throwing gasoline on a fire you're trying to extinguish.

 

[criticalbass]

Completely agree. I'm not an OSA "Vet" but every time Ive dealt with anybody here its felt like dealing with friends. Heck I usually don't even worry if its an OSA deal whereas if its an Armslist deal I'm packing heat and back up.

I hope none of you is offended that in every transaction we have done, I have been carrying a weapon. Of course, I always carry a weapon if it is possible . . .

Having said that, every OSA member transaction I have been in, buying or selling, has been a pleasant experience.

 

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

I don't think someone who went to Wally World and bought all the ammo, just to turn around and offer it to me for twice as much, is performing much of a "service" to the gun community.

 

[jakeman]

I don't think someone who went to Wally World and bought all the ammo, just to turn around and offer it to me for twice as much, is performing much of a "service" to the gun community.

I"m not sure why there are people that don't get this. My guess is, those that don't are the people that are doing this. Again, I hope the bastards go broke.