Oklahoma is getting national recognition

[Danny Tanner]

Separation of church and state is a myth. I don't know about your copy of the constitution, but I can't find the words "separation of church and state" anywhere in mine. This country was founded on Judeo-Christian values, and the intention was to keep those values as the foundation of it's governance. The first amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." and was meant to protect the church from the state, and to prevent the state from creating a mandatory national religion; not to remove from the government the founding principals on which the country began. Basically, it was understood that the government would reflect Christian values, but the people are free to practice any religion that butters their toast, or no religion at all.

The country was not founded on Christianity, but even if it were, the 1st Amendment, while not containing the phrase "Separation of Church and State", does guarantee that no government will endorse one religion over the other. The last time I checked, The 10 Commandments are rules from Judaism and Christianity, they're not from the Muslims, Buddhists, etc.. so unless the state is willing to display monuments, writings, etc from ALL religions, they shouldn't display any at all if they want to obey the 1st Amendment. Just because you personally agree with the state's decision, doesn't mean it's not a violation of the Constitution.

 

[Danny Tanner]

And I vote and pay my taxes, I have just as much of a voice as anyone here. I'm not going anywhere.

 

[caojyn]

Real mature response btw if you don't like it move...

 

[elwoodtrix]

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/344220

The fact that men think they know whats best for women is assinine.

that's why those "men" need to strap up

 

[808racer]

The country was not founded on Christianity, but even if it were, the 1st Amendment, while not containing the phrase "Separation of Church and State", does guarantee that no government will endorse one religion over the other. The last time I checked, The 10 Commandments are rules from Judaism and Christianity, they're not from the Muslims, Buddhists, etc.. so unless the state is willing to display monuments, writings, etc from ALL religions, they shouldn't display any at all if they want to obey the 1st Amendment. Just because you personally agree with the state's decision, doesn't mean it's not a violation of the Constitution.

Sorry - I should have said the country was founded on Biblical principals (not the principals of the "holy" quran, the Torah, not the Tipitaka)- which includes the 10 commandments. Although some of founders may have not been devout Christians, they all agreed that the government should be guided by Biblical morality. Again, the intention of the 1A was NOT to keep these guiding principals out of government, it's intention was to keep the state from meddling with religion.

 

[ez bake]

Sorry - I should have said the country was founded on Biblical principals (not the principals of the "holy" quran, the Torah, not the Tipitaka)- which includes the 10 commandments. Although some of founders may have not been devout Christians, they all agreed that the government should be guided by Biblical morality. Again, the intention of the 1A was NOT to keep these guiding principals out of government, it's intention was to keep the state from meddling with religion.

I'm a devout Christian (Orthodox, not Evangelical modern-American), and I will say that this is complete BS. Post a single shred of proof.

 

[donner]

Sorry - I should have said the country was founded on Biblical principals (not the principals of the "holy" quran, the Torah, not the Tipitaka)- which includes the 10 commandments. Although some of founders may have not been devout Christians, they all agreed that the government should be guided by Biblical morality. Again, the intention of the 1A was NOT to keep these guiding principals out of government, it's intention was to keep the state from meddling with religion.

you'd think that there would be more reference to God in the Constitution if this was true (or in the Declaration of Independence for that matter). Of course, you can just look at what Jefferson had to say about the separation of church and state.

“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account
to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and
not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared
that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State.”
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT. (1 January 1802) This statement is the origin of
the often used phrase "separation of Church and State”.

This helps give context, as well.

“Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.”
-Thomas Jefferson, Vol. 1 Whether Christianity is Part of the Common Law (1764). Published in The Works of
Thomas Jefferson in Twelve Volumes, Federal Edition, Paul Leicester Ford, ed., New York: G. P. Putnam's
Sons, 1904,, p. 459.

 

[Lightsluvr]

Residents of Oklahoma said not to trample on the Constitution. Oklahoma did it anyway by displaying the 10 Commandments on State property! Though, somehow the violation of Separation of Church and State is OK since it caters to the majority.

C'mon Danny - there is nothing in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that guarantees "Separation of Church and State" (in caps, as you typed it.)

What the documents says is, " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" The liberals and their toady courts have twisted that into separation of church and state. Then the regulation nation took it and ran with it, with help from the ACLU.

JMO.

LL

 

[ez bake]

C'mon Danny - there is nothing in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that guarantees "Separation of Church and State" (in caps, as you typed it.)

What the documents says is, " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" The liberals and their toady courts have twisted that into separation of church and state. Then the regulation nation took it and ran with it, with help from the ACLU.

JMO.

LL

So, it's cool to have a statue of Muhamad in the courthouse? How about a Copy of the Koran displayed on the wall?

All paid for with tax-payers' money.

Read the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, or any of the numerous quotes from several of the founding fathers (not just a few) and you quickly understand that endorsing/enforcing any particular religion was off-limits in the new Republic.

 

[3inSlugger]

Or a Carl Sagan or Christopher Hitchens memorial?