Oklahoma waterfowl guides busted for baiting

[retrieverman]

I had the Game Warden set up the decoy on a notorious poacher in my area. They busted him and his daughter to the tune of about 7-8K in fines. ODWC didn't revoke their hunting privileges.

That’s the problem. At the end of the day, the ODWC gets a payday, and the offenders are free to keep hunting.
There’s a county commissioner in Alfalfa county that’s been busted by the GW at least twice, and he’s still an illegal hunting SOB.

 

[TedKennedy]

I would have a huge problem with someone leasing for ag giving blanket permission to someone else to conduct business on my property. In that case, the lessee should be on the hook for whatever illegal activity goes on.

My wife's family has land managed by the BIA. All the owners (descendants of the original allotment recipient) vote on whether to lease for grazing. So it is leased for grazing. The cattle owner is responsible for fences, can only cultivate a small portion of the land. (this area is very specific as to where) and the lease give no permission for hunting, nor can he prevent permission-granted hunters from hunting or access.

It's just not that hard, folks. Hold the people breaking the law accountable. If the landowner is found to be in collusion with the poachers, get after them. If they are not, then simply get the poachers/guides.

 

[hunter966]

I am 15 miles from my acreage. Checking cows, I found piles of sunflower seeds, just before dove season. A call to GW alerted them I was not involved and trespassing would be filed.

I found more evidence during season, but GW didn't catch anybody until the last weekend. They were hanging a feeder.

I was always open to hunters and not leasing. No more. No access, unless I invite and hunt with them.
Tractor shot, mower shot, barn shot, water trough shot, and a goat.There are some honest, ethical, good people, but it doesn't take many entitled ******** to ruin it for everyone.

I totally get it, those that do that are just worthless pieces of crap and that’s about it.

 

[BobbyV]

My wife's family has land managed by the BIA. All the owners (descendants of the original allotment recipient) vote on whether to lease for grazing. So it is leased for grazing. The cattle owner is responsible for fences, can only cultivate a small portion of the land. (this area is very specific as to where) and the lease give no permission for hunting, nor can he prevent permission-granted hunters from hunting or access.

It's just not that hard, folks. Hold the people breaking the law accountable. If the landowner is found to be in collusion with the poachers, get after them. If they are not, then simply get the poachers/guides.

Not to completely derail the thread, but my great-grandmother's land allotment was leased to some cattle company 15 years ago or so and they've just submitted a petition to claim adverse ownership. I'm so far down the line of succession I had no clue her land was even being used by anyone until I got a copy of the petition and was requested to respond since my mom passed and my dad and brothers are her remaining successors.

 

[TedKennedy]

Not to completely derail the thread, but my great-grandmother's land allotment was leased to some cattle company 15 years ago or so and they've just submitted a petition to claim adverse ownership. I'm so far down the line of succession I had no clue her land was even being used by anyone until I got a copy of the petition and was requested to respond since my mom passed and my dad and brothers are her remaining successors.

What tribe? BIA managed?

 

[AER244]

I would have a huge problem with someone leasing for ag giving blanket permission to someone else to conduct business on my property. In that case, the lessee should be on the hook for whatever illegal activity goes on.

Id have a giant problem with a lessee giving blanket permission to a guide too. I was referring to very targeted, very specific species/location/date permission. To me, penalizing a landowner or lessee for the actions of a guide seems akin to penalizing a gun manufacturer for the crimes someone committed with their gun.

 

[rickm]

I may be wrong but i took the OP meaning that the landowner was doing the baiting and then leasing it to a guide with him knowing it was baited so he could get more hunters. If that is the case both should be penalized for their part take but if the guide is the one doing the baiting then the land owner should be clear if he didnt know it was being done.

 

[BobbyV]

What tribe? BIA managed?

Cherokee. I'd assume BIA managed and would require BIA approval to sell, but I have no idea about the allotment or who it was passed on to over the years. My grandma has been gone over 20 years and there are way too many ahead of me in the line of succession for it to ever get to me.

 

[TedKennedy]

Cherokee. I'd assume BIA managed and would require BIA approval to sell, but I have no idea about the allotment or who it was passed on to over the years. My grandma has been gone over 20 years and there are way too many ahead of me in the line of succession for it to ever get to me.

That's odd.
Grandpa sold his Cherokee allotment, so did a bunch of folks back in the day.

The wife's (Pawnee) is managed so that individuals don't let that land get away from them. IMHO, the BIA does a good job of that.

 

[okierider]

While on the subject, lets mention the hunters who do not take their trash with them when they leave.... Soda, water bottles, liquor bottles and food trash at some of the parking areas we use quail hunting . Had one deer hunter blind set up that looked like a homeless person lived there for a couple of days!! Whole lot of don't give a crap out there these days.