Poll: Marijuana Law Reform

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Do you support allowing physician-authorized patients to consume therapeutic cannabis

  • yes

    Votes: 278 79.7%
  • no

    Votes: 71 20.3%

  • Total voters
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RickN

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what an absolute crock of bull manure!

pot has been used safely for hundreds of years ... NO one has died from pot. zero .. nada .. NO one has overdosed from pot from several hundred years of use. vs tobacco .... let's see .. the leading cause of cancer in America .. responsible for how many deaths?

the only lives that's been ruin from pot are the folks that got arrested for pot, their assets seized and thrown in prison. not aware of ANYONE that got their lives destroyed from using pot.

it's obvious the big lie told about pot being equally bad as heroin has worked on you. what's sad is how many other folks also believe the lies about pot.

You really smoked the koolaid haven't you, see below.

That could not possibly be because people who smoked tobacco also smoked marijuana. Show me a reputable link to prove nobody has died from marijuana. Any link anyone provides to you that says someone died will be called fake. If you do not believe people have had their lives ruined by just using pot you have you are delusional. Marijuana is not some magical pixie dust with zero side effects that cures everything from eating disorders to ovarian cancer.
 

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I will just leave these here.

Thomas Geller, MD, Associate Professor of Child Neurology at the Saint Louis University Health Sciences Center, et al., wrote in their article "Cerebellar Infarction in Adolescent Males Associated with Acute Marijuana Use," published in Pediatrics in Apr. 2004:

"Each of the 3 cannabis-associated cases of cerebellar infarction was confirmed by biopsy (1 case) or necropsy (2 cases)... Brainstem compromise caused by cerebellar and cerebral edema led to death in the 2 fatal cases."

Liliana Bachs, MD, Senior Medical Officer at the Norwegian Institute of Public Health, et al., wrote in their article "Acute Cardiovascular Fatalities Following Cannabis Use," published by Forensic Science International in 2001:

"Cannabis is generally considered to be a drug with very low toxicity. In this paper, we report six cases where recent cannabis intake was associated with sudden and unexpected death. An acute cardiovascular event was the probable cause of death. In all cases, cannabis intake was documented by blood analysis."
 

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You really smoked the koolaid haven't you, see below.

yet more horse manure ...

speaking of smoking coolaid .. sorry if I don't believe your claims of being a former heavy pot smoker either.

it's a medical fact .. NO one has ever overdosed from pot. vs LOTS of documented instances of folks dying from tobacco and alcohol.

again .. the most dangerous part of smoking pot is the danger of being arrested, your assets sized and being thrown in prison.
all over a substance that is substantially less harmful than both alcohol and tobacco.

it's amazing how effective telling lies about pot for decades becomes ... that pot is equally harmful as heroin (both schedule 1)
but no matter how many times lies about pot is told .. it's still a LIE!
 

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I will just leave these here.

Thomas Geller, MD, Associate Professor of Child Neurology at the Saint Louis University Health Sciences Center, et al., wrote in their article "Cerebellar Infarction in Adolescent Males Associated with Acute Marijuana Use," published in Pediatrics in Apr. 2004:

"Each of the 3 cannabis-associated cases of cerebellar infarction was confirmed by biopsy (1 case) or necropsy (2 cases)... Brainstem compromise caused by cerebellar and cerebral edema led to death in the 2 fatal cases."
Liliana Bachs, MD, Senior Medical Officer at the Norwegian Institute of Public Health, et al., wrote in their article "Acute Cardiovascular Fatalities Following Cannabis Use," published by Forensic Science International in 2001:

"Cannabis is generally considered to be a drug with very low toxicity. In this paper, we report six cases where recent cannabis intake was associated with sudden and unexpected death. An acute cardiovascular event was the probable cause of death. In all cases, cannabis intake was documented by blood analysis."

really stretching things .. are we ..

so sick kids that died from brain swelling that happened to have pot in their system. probably to relieve pain from brain edema
all of suddenly becomes kids dying from pot ... what an absolute load of horse manure!!!

download actual article ... one of the worst written scientific articles I've ever read. the entire basis of article was 6 folks died from an acute cardiovascular event and pot was the only drug detected in their blood.

their wonderful sample of 6 included IV drug users, folks with history of heart disease, etc
who ever allowed this article in NIH database is a moron!

note conclusion claims there are no heavy drug addicts in study ...
yet case #6 is a IV drug user with needle marks .. what a crock of sh*t!

here's conclusion

Conclusions
Several reports of acute cardiovascular episodes asso-
ciated to cannabis use have been published in the last 20
years and underlying patho-physiological mechanisms have
been discussed. Cannabis is generally considered to be a
drug with very low toxicity. In this paper, we report six cases
where recent cannabis intake was associated with sudden
andunexpecteddeath.Anacutecardiovasculareventwasthe
probable cause of death. In all cases, cannabis intake was
documented by blood analyses. To our information there
were no heavy drug addicts in our material and the deceased
individuals seemed to be occasional cannabis users. Cor-
onary pathology was revealed by the autopsies in some
cases. Further investigations of clinical, toxicological and
epidemiological aspects are needed to enlighten causality
between cannabis intake and acute cardiovascular events.

2.3. Case 3
A 43-year-old male with a previous coronary heart con-
dition was found dead in his home. He had a myocardial
infarction at age 38. Hewas currently using severaldrugs for
his heart condition (metoprolol (a b-blocker), doxazosine
(an a-blocker) and diltiazem (a calcium antagonist)), but
there was no record of use of illicit drugs. The autopsy
showed widespread atheromatosis enlarged heart and signs
ofanearlierinfarction.Toxicologicalanalysisrevealed2 mg/
l THC in whole blood. Urine was not available. There were
no other toxicological findings.
2.4. Case 4
A 37-year-old male was found dead at a friend’s home.
Therewasnorecordofuseofillicitdrugsandnoinformation
of previous heart conditions. The autopsy revealed wide-
spread atheromatosis, narrowing of coronary arteries and
signs of emphysema. Toxicological analysis revealed 5 mg/l
THCinwholebloodand0.04%ethanol.Therewerenoother
toxicological findings, except THC acid in urine.

2.5. Case 5
A 17-year-old male was found dead on his bed in the
morning at his parent’s house. He had a record of illicit
drug use, without further details about type or types of
drugs consumed. There was no record of any illness other
than pollen allergy or any record of family heart condi-
tions. The autopsy revealed a slightly enlarged heart. No
signs of atheromatosis were found. Toxicological analysis
revealed 3 mg/l THC in whole blood. Urine was not
available for analysis. There were no other toxicological
findings.
2.6. Case 6
A 42-year-old male died suddenly in a hotel. Cardiac
resuscitation was started immediately, but was unsuccess-
ful.Hehad arecordofillicitdruguse.Needlemarks inboth
arms were ascribed to medical treatment. The autopsy
revealed slight atheromatosis in the coronary blood vessels
and also narrowing of a coronary artery. The autopsy
conclusion was an acute coronary event. Toxicological
analysis revealed 7 mg/l THC in whole blood. Urine was
notavailableforanalysis.Therewerenoothertoxicological
findings
 
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yet more horse manure ...

speaking of smoking coolaid .. sorry if I don't believe your claims of being a former heavy pot smoker either.

it's a medical fact .. NO one has ever overdosed from pot. vs LOTS of documented instances of folks dying from tobacco and alcohol.

again .. the most dangerous part of smoking pot is the danger of being arrested, your assets sized and being thrown in prison.
all over a substance that is substantially less harmful than both alcohol and tobacco.

it's amazing how effective telling lies about pot for decades becomes ... that pot is equally harmful as heroin (both schedule 1)
but no matter how many times lies about pot is told .. it's still a LIE!

1) I never said anyone overdosed. I said it is not a cure for anything and that most of the benefits claimed by the stoner crowd is a LIE. There have been many, many doctors and studies saying pot is harmful let alone what I have seen it do to people with my own eyes.
2) I don't give a crap if you believe me or not.
3) I never said it was a harmful as heroin have I? That is just you trying to spin what I have said.
 

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really stretching things .. are we ..

so sick kids that died from brain swelling that happened to have pot in their system. probably to relieve pain from brain edema
all of suddenly becomes kids dying from pot ... what an absolute load of horse manure!!!

download actual article ... one of the worst written scientific articles I've ever read. the entire basis of article was 6 folks died from an acute cardiovascular event and pot was the only drug detected in their blood.

their wonderful sample of 6 included IV drug users, folks with history of heart disease, etc
who ever allowed this article in NIH database is a moron!

note conclusion claims there are no heavy drug addicts in study ...
yet case #6 is a IV drug user with needle marks .. what a crock of sh*t!

here's conclusion

Conclusions
Several reports of acute cardiovascular episodes asso-
ciated to cannabis use have been published in the last 20
years and underlying patho-physiological mechanisms have
been discussed. Cannabis is generally considered to be a
drug with very low toxicity. In this paper, we report six cases
where recent cannabis intake was associated with sudden
andunexpecteddeath.Anacutecardiovasculareventwasthe
probable cause of death. In all cases, cannabis intake was
documented by blood analyses. To our information there
were no heavy drug addicts in our material and the deceased
individuals seemed to be occasional cannabis users. Cor-
onary pathology was revealed by the autopsies in some
cases. Further investigations of clinical, toxicological and
epidemiological aspects are needed to enlighten causality
between cannabis intake and acute cardiovascular events.

2.3. Case 3
A 43-year-old male with a previous coronary heart con-
dition was found dead in his home. He had a myocardial
infarction at age 38. Hewas currently using severaldrugs for
his heart condition (metoprolol (a b-blocker), doxazosine
(an a-blocker) and diltiazem (a calcium antagonist)), but
there was no record of use of illicit drugs. The autopsy
showed widespread atheromatosis enlarged heart and signs
ofanearlierinfarction.Toxicologicalanalysisrevealed2 mg/
l THC in whole blood. Urine was not available. There were
no other toxicological findings.
2.4. Case 4
A 37-year-old male was found dead at a friend’s home.
Therewasnorecordofuseofillicitdrugsandnoinformation
of previous heart conditions. The autopsy revealed wide-
spread atheromatosis, narrowing of coronary arteries and
signs of emphysema. Toxicological analysis revealed 5 mg/l
THCinwholebloodand0.04%ethanol.Therewerenoother
toxicological findings, except THC acid in urine.

2.5. Case 5
A 17-year-old male was found dead on his bed in the
morning at his parent’s house. He had a record of illicit
drug use, without further details about type or types of
drugs consumed. There was no record of any illness other
than pollen allergy or any record of family heart condi-
tions. The autopsy revealed a slightly enlarged heart. No
signs of atheromatosis were found. Toxicological analysis
revealed 3 mg/l THC in whole blood. Urine was not
available for analysis. There were no other toxicological
findings.
2.6. Case 6
A 42-year-old male died suddenly in a hotel. Cardiac
resuscitation was started immediately, but was unsuccess-
ful.Hehad arecordofillicitdruguse.Needlemarks inboth
arms were ascribed to medical treatment.
The autopsy
revealed slight atheromatosis in the coronary blood vessels
and also narrowing of a coronary artery. The autopsy
conclusion was an acute coronary event. Toxicological
analysis revealed 7 mg/l THC in whole blood. Urine was
not available for analysis.There were no other toxicological
findings

Read your own post.
 

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Something else I have been meaning to comment on, you guys keep saying pot has been used safely going back to ancient Egypt, prove it. That is right, you can not. it is another one of those made up facts by the stoner crowd.

Toxicological analysis is a fairly recent thing and people used to die a lot younger. What if pot use contributed to that? Maybe the evil spirits some said killed the person were smoked. Maybe the pot the early medicine man had them take as a cure really killed some of them. We know that the bleeding treatments used killed a bunch of people along with many other early treatments.
 

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I will just leave these here.

On the latter quote, I think it would be interesting to see a correlation chart based on the quality of Mary Jane in regards to health issues. From the worst "street cut" version to something the FDA would approve for medicinal or public recreation. I never smoked the stuff but I talk to a lot of dudes who have been sentenced for it and they say that everything bad is about the kind of cut you get. Like guns, you get what you pay for.
 

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Something else I have been meaning to comment on, you guys keep saying pot has been used safely going back to ancient Egypt, prove it. That is right, you can not. it is another one of those made up facts by the stoner crowd.

Toxicological analysis is a fairly recent thing and people used to die a lot younger. What if pot use contributed to that? Maybe the evil spirits some said killed the person were smoked. Maybe the pot the early medicine man had them take as a cure really killed some of them. We know that the bleeding treatments used killed a bunch of people along with many other early treatments.

there's decades of hard science behind the claim that NO one has ever overdosed on pot ...
otherwise why is it that you or anyone else cannot provide documented evidence that someone actually died from an overdose of pot?
surely out of millions of users over several hundred years .. ONE documented case would show up?

have you actually read the so call toxicology tests you've referred to?

http://www.medicinalgenomics.com/wp...d-death-under-acute-influence-of-cannabis.pdf
http://143.107.9.121/Ensino/Graduacao/Disciplinas/Exclusivo/Inserir/Anexos/LinkAnexos/cannabis2.pdf

the two examples you posted are just flat out junk! junk science made up to scare/confuse folks that don't understand medical/scientific terms.

the first that uses 6 examples of folks that died from coronary failures that just happened to have pot in their system. folks with a history of heart disease, admitted drug user with needle marks, etc. absolute junk science! anyone that actually reads the study can quickly tell how full of sh*t it is. so what someone that has a history of heart disease dies from an acute cardiovascular event and pot was the only drug detected in their blood. it proves nothing!

there's several doctors on this forum .. sure wish they would step up and verify what I've saying.
 
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