so, how long until an incident occurs involving a child

[BadgeBunny]

har har
yeah it does rub me the wrong way, well, not a lot, because i dont fly; but if i did...yeah im sure they would rub me wrong.

Yeah, we don't fly much either ... I was thinking about doin' like "don't touch my junk" kid though ... Hell, at my age I think it would be entertaining ... wonder what the TSA agent would do when they started running their hands over me and I did a re-enactment of the orgasm scene in When Harry Met Sally ...

ETA: In all seriousness though ... they would NOT be frisking my kids ...

 

[waltham41]

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
US author, diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)



'Nuff Said...

Quoting a man that has been dead 220 years helps this situation one way or the other how?


Personally I think they ought to pull all of the middle eastern people off of the different planes and put them all together on the same flights, with pilots and crew that are of middle eastern descent, so if one does do something stupid, he takes out his own people. But that wouldn't be any better than what we are doing now would it?

 

[deerwhacker444]

i am fed up with all this damn TSA talk. so, how long until an incident occurs in defiance of the airport screenings? in particular, involving a child. i know its not something we want to see, but you know as well as i do, there are terrorists out there who would like nothing more than to see a child blow up a plane or similar destruction and devastation.

Or,..why haven't they put an explosive inside a person and stitched them up, ala "The Dark Knight".

Or better yet, inside a pet dog or cat,..I bet they don't send animals thru the metal detectors....

I need to apply another layer of foil to my hat.......

 

[Dale00]

Penn of "Penn and Teller" retells his run-in with the TSA. Wonder if the TSA is going to investigate him like they are the average citizen in San Diego who protested. No - of course not.

Last Thursday I was flying to LA on the Midnight flight. I went through security my usual sour stuff. I beeped, of course, and was shuttled to the "toss-em" line. A security guy came over. I assumed the position. I had a button up shirt on that was untucked. He reached around while he was behind me and grabbed around my front pocket. I guess he was going for my flashlight, but the area could have loosely been called "crotch." I said, "You have to ask me before you touch me or it's assault."

He said, "Once you cross that line, I can do whatever I want."

I said that wasn't true. I say that I have the option of saying no and not flying. He said, "Are you going to let me search you, or do I just throw you out?"

I said, "Finish up, and then call the police please."

When he was finished with my shoes, he said, "Okay, you can go."

I said, "I'd like to see your supervisor and I'd like LVPD to come here as well. I was assaulted by you."

He said, "You're free to go, there's no problem."

I said, "I have a problem, please send someone over." ....

....I tell the cop the story, in a very funny way. The cop, the voice of sanity says, "What's wrong with you people? You can't just grab a guy's .... without his permission." I tell him that my genitals weren't grabbed and the cop says, "I don't care, you can't do that to people. That's assault and battery in my book."

The supervisor says that they'll take care of the security guy. The cop says, "I'm not leaving until Penn tells me to. Now do you want to fill out all the paper work and show up in court, because I'll be right there beside you."

The supervisor says it's an internal matter, and they'll take care of it. "If you want to pursue this, we're going to have to go through the electronic evidence."

I say, "You mean videotape? Yeah, go get it."

She says, "Well, it'll take a long time, and you don't want to miss your flight. We have no problem with you, you're free to go."

The cop says, "Your guy grabbed his .... That ain't right." .....

The next day the woman in charge of public relations calls me to "do anything to make my McCarran experience more enjoyable." I was a little under the weather with allergies and busy, so I didn't call back until yesterday.

It took some phone tag, but I finally got the woman on the phone. I was very cool and sweet. I explained the problem. "Do you allow your crotch to be grabbed without being asked?" I didn't exaggerate, I said that there was nothing sexual, I wasn't hurt, and it wasn't my genitals. I just said it was wrong....

I said that I had talked to two lawyers and they said it was really a weird case because no one knows if he can be charged with assault and battery while working in that job. But I told her, that some of my lawyer friends really wanted to find out. She said, "Well, we're very new to this job . . ." and I said, "Yeah, so we need these test cases to find out where you stand."

She said, "Well, you know a LOT about this." I said, "Well, it's not really the right word, but freedom is kind of a hobby with me, and I have disposable income that I'll spend to find out how to get people more of it."

She said, "Well, the airport is very important to all of our incomes and we don't want bad press. It'll hurt everyone, but you have to do what you think is right. But, if you give me your itinerary every time you fly, I'll be at the airport with you and we can make sure it's very pleasant for you."

http://www.pennandteller.com/03/coolstuff/penniphile/roadpennfederalvip.html

There you have it.

 

[Glocktogo]

Penn rocks!

 

[criticalbass]

oh another thing that just popped into my weird little mind...

what if this is just a ploy to bankrupt the airlines? not sure why they would want to, but it seems plausible. i am sure a LOT of people are going to stop flying because of this mess.

Airline pax will whizz and moan, articles will be written, and this will affect the pax count in only a tiny way. I'll bet lunch on it. CB

 

[criticalbass]

Quoting a man that has been dead 220 years helps this situation one way or the other how?


Personally I think they ought to pull all of the middle eastern people off of the different planes and put them all together on the same flights, with pilots and crew that are of middle eastern descent, so if one does do something stupid, he takes out his own people. But that wouldn't be any better than what we are doing now would it?

The "middle eastern people" you refer to have some very white converts. CB

 

[Norman]

wonder what the TSA agent would do when they started running their hands over me and I did a re-enactment of the orgasm scene in When Harry Met Sally ...

Can I... Er.. Could I.. Ummm. May I watch?

 

[Nanotech9]

you know, they could limit all cars to 35mph and it would reduce fatalities in the USA alone by THOUSANDS, or tens of thousands EVERY year.

but blow up a couple of planes, and HOLY CRAP the world just came to an end.

governing cars to 35 would be so easy, and not invade anyones privacy.

insurance rates would plummet, road repairs would be cheaper, damage to public and private property would drop, engines and tires would last longer...

everyone ready to vote yes on that????? lol.



The point, in case someone missed it is that these things that are being done in safety really have little to do with public safety, and much more to do with public's sensational image of safety.

so many more lives could be saved on a yearly basis by less invasive or less privacy intruding decisions.... but the public has grown accustom to the death rates and doesn't see them as a problem.

 

[NikatKimber]

you know, they could limit all cars to 35mph and it would reduce fatalities in the USA alone by THOUSANDS, or tens of thousands EVERY year.

but blow up a couple of planes, and HOLY CRAP the world just came to an end.

governing cars to 35 would be so easy, and not invade anyones privacy.

insurance rates would plummet, road repairs would be cheaper, damage to public and private property would drop, engines and tires would last longer...

everyone ready to vote yes on that????? lol.



The point, in case someone missed it is that these things that are being done in safety really have little to do with public safety, and much more to do with public's sensational image of safety.

so many more lives could be saved on a yearly basis by less invasive or less privacy intruding decisions.... but the public has grown accustom to the death rates and doesn't see them as a problem.

For sure. Not to mention how much greener it would be.