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If you actually , Read the article the Union only had 5,000 of the employees laid off, thats less than a third.
And thanks to right to work ...All 18,000 employees that were laid off will get help returning to work.


Do you really thimk the Union is to blame for everything?

Yes, the non union employees are also to blame because they would not cross the UNION picket line. Why? Maybe there were scared of what the 5000 union bakers would do to them? The teamsters did accept the reduction in pay to keep a paycheck coming so give them a high five...

5000 people, a small margin of the work force, pushed the hand of the company and all lost! I do blame the 5000 baker union members for taking away my sugar snacks!

What were they striking over? an initial 8% reduction in pay, whereas 4% would be returned in 2013, another 1% would be returned in 2014 resulting in a total reduction in pay of just 3% by 2015... Now they will have government unemployment for 36 months and I'm sure will find a way to milk the system longer.

From what I've read, BIMBO of Mexico has agreed to pickup the brands and move production South of the boarder. These brands will be here, the sad fact is 18,500 people lost their jobs 1 month before Christmas. I really feel bad for the non-union workers... I could care less about the baker union members....
 

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If you actually , Read the article the Union only had 5,000 of the employees laid off, thats less than a third.
And thanks to right to work ...All 18,000 employees that were laid off will get help returning to work.
Do you really thimk the Union is to blame for everything?
Of course it is ,what a stupid question this is!
The largest Union around (This United States you all claim to love so much) has failed.
Greed? Look at the government,they started it.
And That'll be the End of it. carry on
 

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Yes, the non union employees are also to blame because they would not cross the UNION picket line. Why? Maybe there were scared of what the 5000 union bakers would do to them? The teamsters did accept the reduction in pay to keep a paycheck coming so give them a high five...

5000 people, a small margin of the work force, pushed the hand of the company and all lost! I do blame the 5000 baker union members for taking away my sugar snacks!

What were they striking over? an initial 8% reduction in pay, whereas 4% would be returned in 2013, another 1% would be returned in 2014 resulting in a total reduction in pay of just 3% by 2015... Now they will have government unemployment for 36 months and I'm sure will find a way to milk the system longer.

From what I've read, BIMBO of Mexico has agreed to pickup the brands and move production South of the boarder. These brands will be here, the sad fact is 18,500 people lost their jobs 1 month before Christmas. I really feel bad for the non-union workers... I could care less about the baker union members....

Why, they were just running off of what the Union members were fighting for and paying dues for.
Why should they take less money just because somone else said they would do it cheaper?
It was going to happen anyway, look around its happening everywhere, outsourceing is the new job bank.
If Someone doesnt band together and fight for the jobs they will be lost or not pay a living wage anyway.
Greed ,not of the worker,but of the big business is driving it there .Period
Let them pay nothing for the jobs, they will, then the ceo's will get bonuses.
America was built on the backs of labor, not some jackwagon sitting at a desk.
When you think of this country that you claim to so care about , remember it was the Workers that built all the wonderful sights . Hah, Not the government
Why shouldnt They be paid rightly.
Fem send the jobs somewhere else, who cares....right?
 

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Take your union pin out of your chest for a minute and lets walk down reason street....

Hostess makes a product that has fallen out of favor due to the fact it isn't healthy and America is FAT! Sales are falling and raw material costs are rising due to economic conditions. As a business owner you have several options, get your raw material costs down, increase your sales, or reduce your labor costs.

I don't know if you know anything about how a business actually operates, but under the chapter 11 Bankruptcy code, Hostess was trying to get their debt in line to give them a fighting chance to succeed in the current market place. On the subject of labor costs, they went to their labor pool and said we can't do this alone, we need your help. We need a company wide reduction in pay... "COMPANY WIDE". The bakers union was the only one to not agree to this! The general labor had accepted the reduction, but wouldn't cross the UNION picket line.

So as an employee, the labor pool could take a longterm 3% pay cut or a long term 100% pay cut!

It had nothing to do with outsourcing jobs. It had nothing to do with upper management wanting to get rich, it had nothing to do with them trying to screw the worker. They couldn't pay their bills! They couldn't pay their loans, their suppliers, or their labor. In Bankruptcy the only people to get paid are the guaranteed loans, everyone else gets portions of what is left over with the labor force getting the last of anything that might remain.

Now the Union bakers get NOTHING and the 13,500 other people also get nothing. The company is gone, and the public can't get the product that want.

Do you follow? 5000 people in one company killed it. Not outsourcing or their greed. As a business owner, I would do everything possible to keep a union away from my business, including shutting it down! Unions are like cancer, they kill the host!

I care about sending jobs somewhere else, but that is not the issue here. The only reason production is moving to Mexico is because another bakery will buy the rights to the product line and move it to their bakeries out of the country. All could have been adverted if it wasn't for the UNION.

If you want to learn what is happening, read Bloomberg, Google Finance, Yahoo Finance... Read what Job creators are doing, not what labor bosses tell you...
 

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If Someone doesnt band together and fight for the jobs they will be lost or not pay a living wage anyway.

No job is guaranteed a living wage. A sacker at a grocery store should not be expecting a high enough salary to afford a 2,000 square foot house simply becuase he is a member of a union. Some jobs are just entry level and low paying for a reason. That reason is that they usually require very little skill or take very little time to train up or learn any skills required.
 

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No job is guaranteed a living wage. A sacker at a grocery store should not be expecting a high enough salary to afford a 2,000 square foot house simply becuase he is a member of a union. Some jobs are just entry level and low paying for a reason. That reason is that they usually require very little skill or take very little time to train up or learn any skills required.

True. Just like those in South America working on aircraft your family flys on. Cheaper is always better. No more firefighters unions. No more LEO unions. No more unions art all. Then the country will heal itself.
 

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